Comments on: 2-Stage Oscillators and the Quest for "Free Energy" http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/09/2-stage-oscillators-and-the-quest-for-free-energy/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 13:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Wemarmar http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/09/2-stage-oscillators-and-the-quest-for-free-energy/#comment-111612 Wemarmar Fri, 20 Jan 2012 11:36:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2034#comment-111612 First I replaced gravity with two springs so I could use this device in outer space. Then I decided to harvest the swing+sling energy with a slide instead of a lever. I provided feedback to maintain swing with a simple cocked spring pusher system. I am getting about 2kw from 300lb weight. Is anyone else powering their electric car from these things?? First I replaced gravity with two springs so I could use this device in outer space. Then I decided to harvest the swing+sling energy with a slide instead of a lever. I provided feedback to maintain swing with a simple cocked spring pusher system. I am getting about 2kw from 300lb weight. Is anyone else powering their electric car from these things??

]]> By: joe http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/09/2-stage-oscillators-and-the-quest-for-free-energy/#comment-5089 joe Wed, 12 Aug 2009 21:25:38 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2034#comment-5089 In the olden days the TOP scientist of the day argued that if you went over 30mph on a bicycle you would suffocate. This stubborn stupidity is the same for some of you people - the term I would use is intelligently stupid. True Perpetual motion indeed cannot be! This device however is not a perpetual motion device. It is a gravity to 'useful' work converter. No laws of physics have been broken here. It is just how you have chosen to interpret the English language. Some may scoff but everything about the universe (planets, solar systems, galaxies) that are moving because of this force would scoff right back at you. To be able to understand this you are going to have to think for yourselves and not blindly follow the texts books and what you have been told lie a sheep - be an actual scientist! In a nutshell…… The part of the machine doing most of the work (where the extra energy comes form) is the side with the free weight. The pendulum is mealy a switch. A small input energy is needed to keep the pendulum swinging (to counter friction). At rest the seesaw is balanced. From a basic understanding of physics you should know the pendulum virtually weighs nothing at its highest point (it is neither going up nor going down). When this happens the see saw tips to the other side (this is when you get the extra energy). At the pendulums lowest position it becomes heavier than the other side – due to centrifugal force. Therefore the seesaw tips back. However does not have time to completely tip as the system is re-gauged. Having successfully built and tested these devices myself, I can tell you that it is not as simple as the drawing would suggest. If you are attempting to reproduce the experiments you definitely need to be able to adjust your weights and timing and you also need a good and sturdy build quality. Have fun and may true science triumph! In the olden days the TOP scientist of the day argued that if you went over 30mph on a bicycle you would suffocate. This stubborn stupidity is the same for some of you people – the term I would use is intelligently stupid.

True Perpetual motion indeed cannot be! This device however is not a perpetual motion device. It is a gravity to ‘useful’ work converter. No laws of physics have been broken here. It is just how you have chosen to interpret the English language.

Some may scoff but everything about the universe (planets, solar systems, galaxies) that are moving because of this force would scoff right back at you.

To be able to understand this you are going to have to think for yourselves and not blindly follow the texts books and what you have been told lie a sheep – be an actual scientist!

In a nutshell……

The part of the machine doing most of the work (where the extra energy comes form) is the side with the free weight. The pendulum is mealy a switch. A small input energy is needed to keep the pendulum swinging (to counter friction).

At rest the seesaw is balanced.

From a basic understanding of physics you should know the pendulum virtually weighs nothing at its highest point (it is neither going up nor going down). When this happens the see saw tips to the other side (this is when you get the extra energy).

At the pendulums lowest position it becomes heavier than the other side – due to centrifugal force. Therefore the seesaw tips back. However does not have time to completely tip as the system is re-gauged.

Having successfully built and tested these devices myself, I can tell you that it is not as simple as the drawing would suggest. If you are attempting to reproduce the experiments you definitely need to be able to adjust your weights and timing and you also need a good and sturdy build quality.

Have fun and may true science triumph!

]]> By: Walter Anderson http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/09/2-stage-oscillators-and-the-quest-for-free-energy/#comment-5088 Walter Anderson Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:29:01 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2034#comment-5088 This is just one of the stepping stones you are going to see in the Energy Revolution we are entering. This device will not be powering vehicles directly but I can see them as personal power stations for generating hydrogen for fuel cells. I see alot of Scoffers out there pointing fingers at this pendulum device and other devices. But this is normal, for every scientific acheivement that has changed mans life for the better there are scoffers. The more scoffers there are the more dramatic will be the effect of the device on our life. Just look back in time at the trains,planes,rockets etc. if the scoffers had their way we would still be ridding horses for our main transportation. Walt This is just one of the stepping stones you are going to see in the Energy Revolution we are entering. This device will not be powering vehicles directly but I can see them as personal power stations for generating hydrogen for fuel cells. I see alot of Scoffers out there pointing fingers at this pendulum device and other devices. But this is normal, for every scientific acheivement that has changed mans life for the better there are scoffers. The more scoffers there are the more dramatic will be the effect of the device on our life. Just look back in time at the trains,planes,rockets etc. if the scoffers had their way we would still be ridding horses for our main transportation. Walt

]]> By: Walter Anderson http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/09/2-stage-oscillators-and-the-quest-for-free-energy/#comment-22155 Walter Anderson Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:29:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2034#comment-22155 This is just one of the stepping stones you are going to see in the Energy Revolution we are entering. This device will not be powering vehicles directly but I can see them as personal power stations for generating hydrogen for fuel cells. I see alot of Scoffers out there pointing fingers at this pendulum device and other devices. But this is normal, for every scientific acheivement that has changed mans life for the better there are scoffers. The more scoffers there are the more dramatic will be the effect of the device on our life. Just look back in time at the trains,planes,rockets etc. if the scoffers had their way we would still be ridding horses for our main transportation. Walt This is just one of the stepping stones you are going to see in the Energy Revolution we are entering. This device will not be powering vehicles directly but I can see them as personal power stations for generating hydrogen for fuel cells. I see alot of Scoffers out there pointing fingers at this pendulum device and other devices. But this is normal, for every scientific acheivement that has changed mans life for the better there are scoffers. The more scoffers there are the more dramatic will be the effect of the device on our life. Just look back in time at the trains,planes,rockets etc. if the scoffers had their way we would still be ridding horses for our main transportation. Walt

]]> By: bill http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/09/2-stage-oscillators-and-the-quest-for-free-energy/#comment-5087 bill Sat, 14 Feb 2009 04:06:35 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2034#comment-5087 I went to his web site and watched alot of videos, it does make work alot easier. Pumping water out of the ground can be done with one finger with little effort, it looks like a great invention, it will make life easier. I can't believe no one ever thought of this before. I went to his web site and watched alot of videos, it does make work alot easier. Pumping water out of the ground can be done with one finger with little effort, it looks like a great invention, it will make life easier. I can’t believe no one ever thought of this before.

]]> By: bill http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/09/2-stage-oscillators-and-the-quest-for-free-energy/#comment-22154 bill Sat, 14 Feb 2009 04:06:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2034#comment-22154 I went to his web site and watched alot of videos, it does make work alot easier. Pumping water out of the ground can be done with one finger with little effort, it looks like a great invention, it will make life easier. I can't believe no one ever thought of this before. I went to his web site and watched alot of videos, it does make work alot easier. Pumping water out of the ground can be done with one finger with little effort, it looks like a great invention, it will make life easier. I can’t believe no one ever thought of this before.

]]> By: nix http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/09/2-stage-oscillators-and-the-quest-for-free-energy/#comment-5086 nix Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:39:59 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2034#comment-5086 There is no such thing as centrifugal force. The term some earlier posters are looking for is centripetal. Basically, centrifugal force "feels" real, but isn't. From wikipedia "Common misunderstandings Centripetal force should not be confused with centrifugal force. Centripetal force is a kinematic force requirement deduced as necessarily present if an object is to track an observed trajectory. It is not a kinetic force like gravity or electrical forces. Centripetal force requirements may be deduced from a trajectory in any frame of reference (although the trajectory of an object and the deduced centripetal force will vary from one frame to another). Because centripetal force is a kinematic force requirement inferred from an established trajectory, it is not used to deduce a trajectory from a physical situation. Centripetal force is therefore not included in the inventory of forces that are used in applying Newton's second law to calculate a trajectory. Centrifugal force, on the other hand, is treated in a rotating frame as a kinetic force – it is part of the inventory of forces used in Newton's second law to predict motion. Centrifugal force is a fictitious force, which arises only when motion is described or experienced in a rotating reference frame, and it does not exist in an inertial frame of reference.[4]" There is no such thing as centrifugal force.

The term some earlier posters are looking for is centripetal.

Basically, centrifugal force “feels” real, but isn’t.

From wikipedia

“Common misunderstandings

Centripetal force should not be confused with centrifugal force. Centripetal force is a kinematic force requirement deduced as necessarily present if an object is to track an observed trajectory. It is not a kinetic force like gravity or electrical forces. Centripetal force requirements may be deduced from a trajectory in any frame of reference (although the trajectory of an object and the deduced centripetal force will vary from one frame to another). Because centripetal force is a kinematic force requirement inferred from an established trajectory, it is not used to deduce a trajectory from a physical situation. Centripetal force is therefore not included in the inventory of forces that are used in applying Newton’s second law to calculate a trajectory.

Centrifugal force, on the other hand, is treated in a rotating frame as a kinetic force – it is part of the inventory of forces used in Newton’s second law to predict motion. Centrifugal force is a fictitious force, which arises only when motion is described or experienced in a rotating reference frame, and it does not exist in an inertial frame of reference.[4]“

]]> By: nix http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/09/2-stage-oscillators-and-the-quest-for-free-energy/#comment-22153 nix Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:39:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2034#comment-22153 There is no such thing as centrifugal force. The term some earlier posters are looking for is centripetal. Basically, centrifugal force "feels" real, but isn't. From wikipedia "Common misunderstandings Centripetal force should not be confused with centrifugal force. Centripetal force is a kinematic force requirement deduced as necessarily present if an object is to track an observed trajectory. It is not a kinetic force like gravity or electrical forces. Centripetal force requirements may be deduced from a trajectory in any frame of reference (although the trajectory of an object and the deduced centripetal force will vary from one frame to another). Because centripetal force is a kinematic force requirement inferred from an established trajectory, it is not used to deduce a trajectory from a physical situation. Centripetal force is therefore not included in the inventory of forces that are used in applying Newton's second law to calculate a trajectory. Centrifugal force, on the other hand, is treated in a rotating frame as a kinetic force – it is part of the inventory of forces used in Newton's second law to predict motion. Centrifugal force is a fictitious force, which arises only when motion is described or experienced in a rotating reference frame, and it does not exist in an inertial frame of reference.[4]" There is no such thing as centrifugal force.

The term some earlier posters are looking for is centripetal.

Basically, centrifugal force “feels” real, but isn’t.

From wikipedia

“Common misunderstandings

Centripetal force should not be confused with centrifugal force. Centripetal force is a kinematic force requirement deduced as necessarily present if an object is to track an observed trajectory. It is not a kinetic force like gravity or electrical forces. Centripetal force requirements may be deduced from a trajectory in any frame of reference (although the trajectory of an object and the deduced centripetal force will vary from one frame to another). Because centripetal force is a kinematic force requirement inferred from an established trajectory, it is not used to deduce a trajectory from a physical situation. Centripetal force is therefore not included in the inventory of forces that are used in applying Newton’s second law to calculate a trajectory.

Centrifugal force, on the other hand, is treated in a rotating frame as a kinetic force – it is part of the inventory of forces used in Newton’s second law to predict motion. Centrifugal force is a fictitious force, which arises only when motion is described or experienced in a rotating reference frame, and it does not exist in an inertial frame of reference.[4]“

]]> By: Ariel Schwartz http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/09/2-stage-oscillators-and-the-quest-for-free-energy/#comment-5085 Ariel Schwartz Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:04:39 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2034#comment-5085 @Censored - Your comments were probably accidentally caught by the spam filter - please feel free to re-post. @Censored – Your comments were probably accidentally caught by the spam filter – please feel free to re-post.

]]> By: Censored http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/09/2-stage-oscillators-and-the-quest-for-free-energy/#comment-5084 Censored Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:50:22 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2034#comment-5084 Contrary to the addendum above, Timothy Hurst does not welcome your critique. I have made two civil comments critical of his reasoning and both were subsequently deleted. Unbelievable. Contrary to the addendum above, Timothy Hurst does not welcome your critique. I have made two civil comments critical of his reasoning and both were subsequently deleted. Unbelievable.

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