Comments on: Irish Company Creates World's Most Efficient Solar Hot Water Panel http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Sat, 26 May 2012 00:15:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: pac.man http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/#comment-5041 pac.man Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:14:45 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2118#comment-5041 hi, i live in the west of ireland and have Surface power collectors installed since feburary last. I believe the claims put foward by Surface Power as i can see it first hand every day. I have friends and family that have installed diffrent solar products of the same size(appature area) and there is no comparison. I built my house 2 years ago and over insulated it installed the panels last feb and i only started to put my boiler on yesterday to heat my water. thats a nine months of free hot water. i only have a boiler season of 3 months. this adds up to a full tank of oil €450 saved in one year.pure class. hi, i live in the west of ireland and have Surface power collectors installed since feburary last. I believe the claims put foward by Surface Power as i can see it first hand every day. I have friends and family that have installed diffrent solar products of the same size(appature area) and there is no comparison. I built my house 2 years ago and over insulated it installed the panels last feb and i only started to put my boiler on yesterday to heat my water. thats a nine months of free hot water. i only have a boiler season of 3 months. this adds up to a full tank of oil €450 saved in one year.pure class.

]]> By: pac.man http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/#comment-22234 pac.man Fri, 16 Oct 2009 08:14:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2118#comment-22234 hi, i live in the west of ireland and have Surface power collectors installed since feburary last. I believe the claims put foward by Surface Power as i can see it first hand every day. I have friends and family that have installed diffrent solar products of the same size(appature area) and there is no comparison. I built my house 2 years ago and over insulated it installed the panels last feb and i only started to put my boiler on yesterday to heat my water. thats a nine months of free hot water. i only have a boiler season of 3 months. this adds up to a full tank of oil €450 saved in one year.pure class. hi, i live in the west of ireland and have Surface power collectors installed since feburary last. I believe the claims put foward by Surface Power as i can see it first hand every day. I have friends and family that have installed diffrent solar products of the same size(appature area) and there is no comparison. I built my house 2 years ago and over insulated it installed the panels last feb and i only started to put my boiler on yesterday to heat my water. thats a nine months of free hot water. i only have a boiler season of 3 months. this adds up to a full tank of oil €450 saved in one year.pure class.

]]> By: Stauncho http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/#comment-5040 Stauncho Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:35:55 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2118#comment-5040 I work as a consult engineer in Ireland. Their claims of it being the most efficient panel is outlandish, besides the fact that TUV Rheinland have never heard of there pannel Just plug in the values for the heat loss coefficients and the conversion factor and you can see that it in fact has quite a poor efficiency as the temperature delta increases, couple this with the fact that the aperture area is quite low compared to the gross area of the panel and it is an extremely poor performing/yielding panel. You do not need the TUV cert to see this, surely this is gross false advertising. Should they be allowed to mislead the general public in this way. I think crime proceeding should be brought aganist them I work as a consult engineer in Ireland. Their claims of it being the most efficient panel is outlandish, besides the fact that TUV Rheinland have never heard of there pannel Just plug in the values for the heat loss coefficients and the conversion factor and you can see that it in fact has quite a poor efficiency as the temperature delta increases, couple this with the fact that the aperture area is quite low compared to the gross area of the panel and it is an extremely poor performing/yielding panel. You do not need the TUV cert to see this, surely this is gross false advertising. Should they be allowed to mislead the general public in this way. I think crime proceeding should be brought aganist them

]]> By: Stauncho http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/#comment-22233 Stauncho Thu, 08 Oct 2009 14:35:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2118#comment-22233 I work as a consult engineer in Ireland. Their claims of it being the most efficient panel is outlandish, besides the fact that TUV Rheinland have never heard of there pannel Just plug in the values for the heat loss coefficients and the conversion factor and you can see that it in fact has quite a poor efficiency as the temperature delta increases, couple this with the fact that the aperture area is quite low compared to the gross area of the panel and it is an extremely poor performing/yielding panel. You do not need the TUV cert to see this, surely this is gross false advertising. Should they be allowed to mislead the general public in this way. I think crime proceeding should be brought aganist them I work as a consult engineer in Ireland. Their claims of it being the most efficient panel is outlandish, besides the fact that TUV Rheinland have never heard of there pannel Just plug in the values for the heat loss coefficients and the conversion factor and you can see that it in fact has quite a poor efficiency as the temperature delta increases, couple this with the fact that the aperture area is quite low compared to the gross area of the panel and it is an extremely poor performing/yielding panel. You do not need the TUV cert to see this, surely this is gross false advertising. Should they be allowed to mislead the general public in this way. I think crime proceeding should be brought aganist them

]]> By: Pat http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/#comment-5039 Pat Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:45:03 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2118#comment-5039 I am an engineer working in Ireland. Be very wary of these Surface Power claims. The TUV certification number (16014082) given by Surface Power does not exist on the TUV Rheinland database. The product (SP501) is currently registed on the Irish SEI HARP database (http://www.sei.ie/Your_Building/BER/BER_Assessors/Technical/Harp_Database/Solar/Details/?ID=17) under the TUV cert no. but its authenticity is under investigation. Contact TUV or Sustainable Energy Irealnd (SEI) to confirm. I am an engineer working in Ireland. Be very wary of these Surface Power claims. The TUV certification number (16014082) given by Surface Power does not exist on the TUV Rheinland database. The product (SP501) is currently registed on the Irish SEI HARP database (http://www.sei.ie/Your_Building/BER/BER_Assessors/Technical/Harp_Database/Solar/Details/?ID=17) under the TUV cert no. but its authenticity is under investigation. Contact TUV or Sustainable Energy Irealnd (SEI) to confirm.

]]> By: Pat http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/#comment-22232 Pat Wed, 07 Oct 2009 19:45:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2118#comment-22232 I am an engineer working in Ireland. Be very wary of these Surface Power claims. The TUV certification number (16014082) given by Surface Power does not exist on the TUV Rheinland database. The product (SP501) is currently registed on the Irish SEI HARP database (http://www.sei.ie/Your_Building/BER/BER_Assessors/Technical/Harp_Database/Solar/Details/?ID=17) under the TUV cert no. but its authenticity is under investigation. Contact TUV or Sustainable Energy Irealnd (SEI) to confirm. I am an engineer working in Ireland. Be very wary of these Surface Power claims. The TUV certification number (16014082) given by Surface Power does not exist on the TUV Rheinland database. The product (SP501) is currently registed on the Irish SEI HARP database (http://www.sei.ie/Your_Building/BER/BER_Assessors/Technical/Harp_Database/Solar/Details/?ID=17) under the TUV cert no. but its authenticity is under investigation. Contact TUV or Sustainable Energy Irealnd (SEI) to confirm.

]]> By: chris http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/#comment-5038 chris Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:16:43 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2118#comment-5038 Surface Power sounds authentic to me. TUV Rheinland confirmed its claim in an independent test. Do you not trust TUV Rheinland??? "Welcome to TUV Rheinland of North America, Inc. We observe and assure innovations in harmony with humanity, technology and the environment. As an international service group, we document the safety and quality of new and existing products, systems and services. Our interdisciplinary competence is neutral and independent. We orient ourselves to relevant standards and meaningful performance measures, and we participate in developing these worldwide." www.tuv.com/us Surface Power sounds authentic to me. TUV Rheinland confirmed its claim in an independent test. Do you not trust TUV Rheinland???

“Welcome to TUV Rheinland of North America, Inc.

We observe and assure innovations in harmony with humanity, technology and the environment. As an international service group, we document the safety and quality of new and existing products, systems and services. Our interdisciplinary competence is neutral and independent. We orient ourselves to relevant standards and meaningful performance measures, and we participate in developing these worldwide.”

http://www.tuv.com/us

]]> By: chris http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/#comment-22231 chris Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:16:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2118#comment-22231 Surface Power sounds authentic to me. TUV Rheinland confirmed its claim in an independent test. Do you not trust TUV Rheinland??? "Welcome to TUV Rheinland of North America, Inc. We observe and assure innovations in harmony with humanity, technology and the environment. As an international service group, we document the safety and quality of new and existing products, systems and services. Our interdisciplinary competence is neutral and independent. We orient ourselves to relevant standards and meaningful performance measures, and we participate in developing these worldwide." www.tuv.com/us Surface Power sounds authentic to me. TUV Rheinland confirmed its claim in an independent test. Do you not trust TUV Rheinland???

“Welcome to TUV Rheinland of North America, Inc.

We observe and assure innovations in harmony with humanity, technology and the environment. As an international service group, we document the safety and quality of new and existing products, systems and services. Our interdisciplinary competence is neutral and independent. We orient ourselves to relevant standards and meaningful performance measures, and we participate in developing these worldwide.”

http://www.tuv.com/us

]]> By: Green Roots http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/#comment-5037 Green Roots Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:20:03 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2118#comment-5037 @rumplestiltskin I invited a solar sales person into my house - It was the worst experience ever... remember double glazing sales people from yesteryear... well it was like that but worse. I will blog about it some day soon. Basically I agree with rumplestiltskin (who I am sure is a very reputable solar installer). It makes it hard for educated consumers like me to buy these great products because we have to become "experts" ourselves in order to separate the wheat from the chaff. @rumplestiltskin

I invited a solar sales person into my house – It was the worst experience ever… remember double glazing sales people from yesteryear… well it was like that but worse. I will blog about it some day soon.

Basically I agree with rumplestiltskin (who I am sure is a very reputable solar installer). It makes it hard for educated consumers like me to buy these great products because we have to become “experts” ourselves in order to separate the wheat from the chaff.

]]> By: Green Roots http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/#comment-22230 Green Roots Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:20:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2118#comment-22230 @rumplestiltskin I invited a solar sales person into my house - It was the worst experience ever... remember double glazing sales people from yesteryear... well it was like that but worse. I will blog about it some day soon. Basically I agree with rumplestiltskin (who I am sure is a very reputable solar installer). It makes it hard for educated consumers like me to buy these great products because we have to become "experts" ourselves in order to separate the wheat from the chaff. @rumplestiltskin

I invited a solar sales person into my house – It was the worst experience ever… remember double glazing sales people from yesteryear… well it was like that but worse. I will blog about it some day soon.

Basically I agree with rumplestiltskin (who I am sure is a very reputable solar installer). It makes it hard for educated consumers like me to buy these great products because we have to become “experts” ourselves in order to separate the wheat from the chaff.

]]> By: Alternative Energy http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/#comment-5036 Alternative Energy Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:30:08 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2118#comment-5036 How reliable are these evacuated tube systems? How often do they fail? How reliable are these evacuated tube systems? How often do they fail?

]]> By: Alternative Energy http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/#comment-22229 Alternative Energy Mon, 01 Jun 2009 17:30:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2118#comment-22229 How reliable are these evacuated tube systems? How often do they fail? How reliable are these evacuated tube systems? How often do they fail?

]]> By: rumplestiltskin http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/#comment-5035 rumplestiltskin Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:56:47 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2118#comment-5035 I install solar for a living and its so boring hearing companies come out with ridiculous claims like this on a regular basis. and why does someone feel the need to reproduce a press release for the company without looking into it in more detail? what exactly does 131% more efficient mean? more efficient than a banana? this is basically a very standard looking evacuated tube system, and there is nothing that has been discovered in the last 10 years that will increase efficiency by the sort of levels being claimed here. I install solar for a living and its so boring hearing companies come out with ridiculous claims like this on a regular basis. and why does someone feel the need to reproduce a press release for the company without looking into it in more detail?

what exactly does 131% more efficient mean? more efficient than a banana?

this is basically a very standard looking evacuated tube system, and there is nothing that has been discovered in the last 10 years that will increase efficiency by the sort of levels being claimed here.

]]> By: rumplestiltskin http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/#comment-22228 rumplestiltskin Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:56:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2118#comment-22228 I install solar for a living and its so boring hearing companies come out with ridiculous claims like this on a regular basis. and why does someone feel the need to reproduce a press release for the company without looking into it in more detail? what exactly does 131% more efficient mean? more efficient than a banana? this is basically a very standard looking evacuated tube system, and there is nothing that has been discovered in the last 10 years that will increase efficiency by the sort of levels being claimed here. I install solar for a living and its so boring hearing companies come out with ridiculous claims like this on a regular basis. and why does someone feel the need to reproduce a press release for the company without looking into it in more detail?

what exactly does 131% more efficient mean? more efficient than a banana?

this is basically a very standard looking evacuated tube system, and there is nothing that has been discovered in the last 10 years that will increase efficiency by the sort of levels being claimed here.

]]> By: Steve http://cleantechnica.com/2009/02/06/irish-company-creates-worlds-most-efficient-solar-hot-water-panel/#comment-5034 Steve Tue, 10 Feb 2009 05:30:14 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=2118#comment-5034 It probably is freeze proof. I would think it uses refrigerant and heats the water indirectly. I could be wrong. It probably is freeze proof. I would think it uses refrigerant and heats the water indirectly. I could be wrong.

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