Comments on: Race for Scotland's $15 Million Marine Energy Prize Begins http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Fri, 25 May 2012 22:41:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: political info http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/#comment-4839 political info Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:45:18 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1606#comment-4839 I think you are right however Scotland is a small country, 1 billion would be about 200 for every citizen of the country. I think you are right however Scotland is a small country, 1 billion would be about 200 for every citizen of the country.

]]> By: political info http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/#comment-21189 political info Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:45:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1606#comment-21189 I think you are right however Scotland is a small country, 1 billion would be about 200 for every citizen of the country. I think you are right however Scotland is a small country, 1 billion would be about 200 for every citizen of the country.

]]> By: Anon http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/#comment-4838 Anon Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:24:57 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1606#comment-4838 I don't believe this overly ambitious (to put it mildly) concept was well thought out - from the standpoint of would-be competitors. Clearly it would require an investment of many multiples the award amount and many, many years of effort (at least 10) to come even close to the 100GwH of energy to be generated in the first attempt. This - likely - unattainable goal, will either guarantee that Scotland will never have to make good on any payment (while costing entrants many millions) and will exclude ALL individual, small, and medium size entities from participating, since any viable (single) device will cost at least $1-10M to develop and will probably not be successful. Since many of such devices would have to be built (and paid for) and work, simultaneously, and 'perfectly' for a continuous period of two years, I don't think that there are many investors that would take such a 'hugely risky' bet, for a payoff that would be a small fraction of the original investment. Wouldn't it be better to have a competition that would encourage as many innovative individuals and companies to participate, as possible, and make this an annual competition that would award smaller prizes over many years (until a clearly preferred method(s) is/are found)? Then there could be many smaller prizes awarded annually and 1-3 'grand prizes' awarded after maybe a decade of such 'annual' competitions and investigations. Of coarse, this would require that the 100GhW 'bar' be reduced to something much more reasonable, like 1GhW/year, and that this annual goal be estimated over a 1-week long competition period. I would like to see dozens of technologies competing at the same time, with financing being a rather minor consideration and requirement. Only then would this competition truly serve the stated intention of seeking the very best technological approach from ANYWHERE in the world, instead of 'something' that only a huge corporation could possibly underwrite, or one that might give preference to a Scottish technology . I don’t believe this overly ambitious (to put it mildly) concept was well thought out – from the standpoint of would-be competitors. Clearly it would require an investment of many multiples the award amount and many, many years of effort (at least 10) to come even close to the 100GwH of energy to be generated in the first attempt. This – likely – unattainable goal, will either guarantee that Scotland will never have to make good on any payment (while costing entrants many millions) and will exclude ALL individual, small, and medium size entities from participating, since any viable (single) device will cost at least $1-10M to develop and will probably not be successful. Since many of such devices would have to be built (and paid for) and work, simultaneously, and ‘perfectly’ for a continuous period of two years, I don’t think that there are many investors that would take such a ‘hugely risky’ bet, for a payoff that would be a small fraction of the original investment. Wouldn’t it be better to have a competition that would encourage as many innovative individuals and companies to participate, as possible, and make this an annual competition that would award smaller prizes over many years (until a clearly preferred method(s) is/are found)? Then there could be many smaller prizes awarded annually and 1-3 ‘grand prizes’ awarded after maybe a decade of such ‘annual’ competitions and investigations. Of coarse, this would require that the 100GhW ‘bar’ be reduced to something much more reasonable, like 1GhW/year, and that this annual goal be estimated over a 1-week long competition period.

I would like to see dozens of technologies competing at the same time, with financing being a rather minor consideration and requirement. Only then would this competition truly serve the stated intention of seeking the very best technological approach from ANYWHERE in the world, instead of ‘something’ that only a huge corporation could possibly underwrite, or one that might give preference to a Scottish technology .

]]> By: Anon http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/#comment-21188 Anon Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:24:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1606#comment-21188 I don't believe this overly ambitious (to put it mildly) concept was well thought out - from the standpoint of would-be competitors. Clearly it would require an investment of many multiples the award amount and many, many years of effort (at least 10) to come even close to the 100GwH of energy to be generated in the first attempt. This - likely - unattainable goal, will either guarantee that Scotland will never have to make good on any payment (while costing entrants many millions) and will exclude ALL individual, small, and medium size entities from participating, since any viable (single) device will cost at least $1-10M to develop and will probably not be successful. Since many of such devices would have to be built (and paid for) and work, simultaneously, and 'perfectly' for a continuous period of two years, I don't think that there are many investors that would take such a 'hugely risky' bet, for a payoff that would be a small fraction of the original investment. Wouldn't it be better to have a competition that would encourage as many innovative individuals and companies to participate, as possible, and make this an annual competition that would award smaller prizes over many years (until a clearly preferred method(s) is/are found)? Then there could be many smaller prizes awarded annually and 1-3 'grand prizes' awarded after maybe a decade of such 'annual' competitions and investigations. Of coarse, this would require that the 100GhW 'bar' be reduced to something much more reasonable, like 1GhW/year, and that this annual goal be estimated over a 1-week long competition period. I would like to see dozens of technologies competing at the same time, with financing being a rather minor consideration and requirement. Only then would this competition truly serve the stated intention of seeking the very best technological approach from ANYWHERE in the world, instead of 'something' that only a huge corporation could possibly underwrite, or one that might give preference to a Scottish technology . I don’t believe this overly ambitious (to put it mildly) concept was well thought out – from the standpoint of would-be competitors. Clearly it would require an investment of many multiples the award amount and many, many years of effort (at least 10) to come even close to the 100GwH of energy to be generated in the first attempt. This – likely – unattainable goal, will either guarantee that Scotland will never have to make good on any payment (while costing entrants many millions) and will exclude ALL individual, small, and medium size entities from participating, since any viable (single) device will cost at least $1-10M to develop and will probably not be successful. Since many of such devices would have to be built (and paid for) and work, simultaneously, and ‘perfectly’ for a continuous period of two years, I don’t think that there are many investors that would take such a ‘hugely risky’ bet, for a payoff that would be a small fraction of the original investment. Wouldn’t it be better to have a competition that would encourage as many innovative individuals and companies to participate, as possible, and make this an annual competition that would award smaller prizes over many years (until a clearly preferred method(s) is/are found)? Then there could be many smaller prizes awarded annually and 1-3 ‘grand prizes’ awarded after maybe a decade of such ‘annual’ competitions and investigations. Of coarse, this would require that the 100GhW ‘bar’ be reduced to something much more reasonable, like 1GhW/year, and that this annual goal be estimated over a 1-week long competition period.

I would like to see dozens of technologies competing at the same time, with financing being a rather minor consideration and requirement. Only then would this competition truly serve the stated intention of seeking the very best technological approach from ANYWHERE in the world, instead of ‘something’ that only a huge corporation could possibly underwrite, or one that might give preference to a Scottish technology .

]]> By: Kepana http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/#comment-4837 Kepana Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:49:01 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1606#comment-4837 Great project. However, the photo looks like a southeast view of the island of Oahu, Hawaii with Diamondhead in the background. Great project. However, the photo looks like a southeast view of the island of Oahu, Hawaii with Diamondhead in the background.

]]> By: Kepana http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/#comment-21187 Kepana Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:49:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1606#comment-21187 Great project. However, the photo looks like a southeast view of the island of Oahu, Hawaii with Diamondhead in the background. Great project. However, the photo looks like a southeast view of the island of Oahu, Hawaii with Diamondhead in the background.

]]> By: J. Acai http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/#comment-4836 J. Acai Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:15:44 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1606#comment-4836 Hurray for Scotland doing something worthwhile. This is better than the X Prize. Hurray for Scotland doing something worthwhile. This is better than the X Prize.

]]> By: J. Acai http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/#comment-21186 J. Acai Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:15:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1606#comment-21186 Hurray for Scotland doing something worthwhile. This is better than the X Prize. Hurray for Scotland doing something worthwhile. This is better than the X Prize.

]]> By: kevgallacher http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/#comment-4835 kevgallacher Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:52:11 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1606#comment-4835 Planet trashing people? Somehow I don't think Scotlands population has as big an impact on the planet as other nations such as the USA or China. We have some of the cleanest air in the world and most of our countryside is unspoilt. And Scotland does invest a lot of cash into wind/wave/hyrdo energy. Not so much into Solar though. Planet trashing people?

Somehow I don’t think Scotlands population has as big an impact on the planet as other nations such as the USA or China. We have some of the cleanest air in the world and most of our countryside is unspoilt. And Scotland does invest a lot of cash into wind/wave/hyrdo energy. Not so much into Solar though.

]]> By: kevgallacher http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/#comment-21185 kevgallacher Wed, 03 Dec 2008 12:52:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1606#comment-21185 Planet trashing people? Somehow I don't think Scotlands population has as big an impact on the planet as other nations such as the USA or China. We have some of the cleanest air in the world and most of our countryside is unspoilt. And Scotland does invest a lot of cash into wind/wave/hyrdo energy. Not so much into Solar though. Planet trashing people?

Somehow I don’t think Scotlands population has as big an impact on the planet as other nations such as the USA or China. We have some of the cleanest air in the world and most of our countryside is unspoilt. And Scotland does invest a lot of cash into wind/wave/hyrdo energy. Not so much into Solar though.

]]> By: Gray http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/#comment-4834 Gray Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:53:07 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1606#comment-4834 So presumably Matthew has the technology to to harness all that energy, or is he pathetic also? And I'm curious as to why Scots are referred to as 'planet-trashing-people.' How many other countries are offering such incentives? So presumably Matthew has the technology to to harness all that energy, or is he pathetic also? And I’m curious as to why Scots are referred to as ‘planet-trashing-people.’ How many other countries are offering such incentives?

]]> By: Gray http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/#comment-21184 Gray Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:53:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1606#comment-21184 So presumably Matthew has the technology to to harness all that energy, or is he pathetic also? And I'm curious as to why Scots are referred to as 'planet-trashing-people.' How many other countries are offering such incentives? So presumably Matthew has the technology to to harness all that energy, or is he pathetic also? And I’m curious as to why Scots are referred to as ‘planet-trashing-people.’ How many other countries are offering such incentives?

]]> By: denwer http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/#comment-4833 denwer Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:48:18 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1606#comment-4833 hmmmmm... hmmmmm…

]]> By: denwer http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/#comment-21183 denwer Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:48:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1606#comment-21183 hmmmmm... hmmmmm…

]]> By: Joe Blow http://cleantechnica.com/2008/12/03/race-for-scotlands-15-million-marine-energy-prize-begins/#comment-4832 Joe Blow Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:29:30 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1606#comment-4832 Hey, be positive dude. I'm not sure that $15 million is a huge sum for the Scottish Parliament to be worrying themselves with. It's a way to get people outside of the usual multibillion dollar corporations involved in creating solutions. I'm sure the parliament is busy working on other bills to push green technological development in the same direction. Hey, be positive dude. I’m not sure that $15 million is a huge sum for the Scottish Parliament to be worrying themselves with. It’s a way to get people outside of the usual multibillion dollar corporations involved in creating solutions. I’m sure the parliament is busy working on other bills to push green technological development in the same direction.

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