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		<title>By: A Solar-Powered Pissing Contest - Who Wins? : CleanTechnica</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Solar-Powered Pissing Contest - Who Wins? : CleanTechnica</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] it&#8217;s just me. But it seems like you can&#8217;t crack open a clean tech blog these days without uncovering a post on The World&#8217;s Most Super Duperest Solar Project [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it&#8217;s just me. But it seems like you can&#8217;t crack open a clean tech blog these days without uncovering a post on The World&#8217;s Most Super Duperest Solar Project [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/25/los-angeles-unveils-worlds-largest-solar-plan/#comment-4591</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Business_Cycle_Theory



Not a bad elaboration for wikipedia actually.</description>
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<p>Not a bad elaboration for wikipedia actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/25/los-angeles-unveils-worlds-largest-solar-plan/#comment-21048</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austrian_Business_Cycle_Theory



Not a bad elaboration for wikipedia actually.</description>
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<p>Not a bad elaboration for wikipedia actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/25/los-angeles-unveils-worlds-largest-solar-plan/#comment-4590</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;m glad I bookmarked this.



I can see you are trying to find a contradiction in my views.  Unfortunately, you are going to need to go a heck of a lot deeper than that.  I&#039;m an anarcho-capitalist.  I believe the necessity of the state is a myth perpetuated by the few who benefit from its existence.  So yes, those &quot;public&quot; &quot;services&quot; are something I object to.  And yes, I object to government funding of nuclear power too.  That doesn&#039;t mean nuclear power isn&#039;t our likely best option though, because you are not considering the fact that the entire energy industry landscape is warped with government interference.



As per the credit crunch; if you think it is a function of short sighted investors you are sadly mistaken.  There are many superficial reasons for it happening, but the underlying reason is the same as it was for every other fluctuation in the business cycle - fractional reserve banking and central banking.  Although technically with a fiat currency we are basically no-reserve banking.  Look up the Austrian theory of the business cycle.  They had this shit explained a very long time ago.  Even predicted this crisis.  And the Great Depression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m glad I bookmarked this.</p>
<p>I can see you are trying to find a contradiction in my views.  Unfortunately, you are going to need to go a heck of a lot deeper than that.  I&#8217;m an anarcho-capitalist.  I believe the necessity of the state is a myth perpetuated by the few who benefit from its existence.  So yes, those &#8220;public&#8221; &#8220;services&#8221; are something I object to.  And yes, I object to government funding of nuclear power too.  That doesn&#8217;t mean nuclear power isn&#8217;t our likely best option though, because you are not considering the fact that the entire energy industry landscape is warped with government interference.</p>
<p>As per the credit crunch; if you think it is a function of short sighted investors you are sadly mistaken.  There are many superficial reasons for it happening, but the underlying reason is the same as it was for every other fluctuation in the business cycle &#8211; fractional reserve banking and central banking.  Although technically with a fiat currency we are basically no-reserve banking.  Look up the Austrian theory of the business cycle.  They had this shit explained a very long time ago.  Even predicted this crisis.  And the Great Depression.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/25/los-angeles-unveils-worlds-largest-solar-plan/#comment-21046</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;m glad I bookmarked this.



I can see you are trying to find a contradiction in my views.  Unfortunately, you are going to need to go a heck of a lot deeper than that.  I&#039;m an anarcho-capitalist.  I believe the necessity of the state is a myth perpetuated by the few who benefit from its existence.  So yes, those &quot;public&quot; &quot;services&quot; are something I object to.  And yes, I object to government funding of nuclear power too.  That doesn&#039;t mean nuclear power isn&#039;t our likely best option though, because you are not considering the fact that the entire energy industry landscape is warped with government interference.



As per the credit crunch; if you think it is a function of short sighted investors you are sadly mistaken.  There are many superficial reasons for it happening, but the underlying reason is the same as it was for every other fluctuation in the business cycle - fractional reserve banking and central banking.  Although technically with a fiat currency we are basically no-reserve banking.  Look up the Austrian theory of the business cycle.  They had this shit explained a very long time ago.  Even predicted this crisis.  And the Great Depression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m glad I bookmarked this.</p>
<p>I can see you are trying to find a contradiction in my views.  Unfortunately, you are going to need to go a heck of a lot deeper than that.  I&#8217;m an anarcho-capitalist.  I believe the necessity of the state is a myth perpetuated by the few who benefit from its existence.  So yes, those &#8220;public&#8221; &#8220;services&#8221; are something I object to.  And yes, I object to government funding of nuclear power too.  That doesn&#8217;t mean nuclear power isn&#8217;t our likely best option though, because you are not considering the fact that the entire energy industry landscape is warped with government interference.</p>
<p>As per the credit crunch; if you think it is a function of short sighted investors you are sadly mistaken.  There are many superficial reasons for it happening, but the underlying reason is the same as it was for every other fluctuation in the business cycle &#8211; fractional reserve banking and central banking.  Although technically with a fiat currency we are basically no-reserve banking.  Look up the Austrian theory of the business cycle.  They had this shit explained a very long time ago.  Even predicted this crisis.  And the Great Depression.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/25/los-angeles-unveils-worlds-largest-solar-plan/#comment-21047</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I&#039;m glad I bookmarked this.



I can see you are trying to find a contradiction in my views.  Unfortunately, you are going to need to go a heck of a lot deeper than that.  I&#039;m an anarcho-capitalist.  I believe the necessity of the state is a myth perpetuated by the few who benefit from its existence.  So yes, those &quot;public&quot; &quot;services&quot; are something I object to.  And yes, I object to government funding of nuclear power too.  That doesn&#039;t mean nuclear power isn&#039;t our likely best option though, because you are not considering the fact that the entire energy industry landscape is warped with government interference.



As per the credit crunch; if you think it is a function of short sighted investors you are sadly mistaken.  There are many superficial reasons for it happening, but the underlying reason is the same as it was for every other fluctuation in the business cycle - fractional reserve banking and central banking.  Although technically with a fiat currency we are basically no-reserve banking.  Look up the Austrian theory of the business cycle.  They had this shit explained a very long time ago.  Even predicted this crisis.  And the Great Depression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m glad I bookmarked this.</p>
<p>I can see you are trying to find a contradiction in my views.  Unfortunately, you are going to need to go a heck of a lot deeper than that.  I&#8217;m an anarcho-capitalist.  I believe the necessity of the state is a myth perpetuated by the few who benefit from its existence.  So yes, those &#8220;public&#8221; &#8220;services&#8221; are something I object to.  And yes, I object to government funding of nuclear power too.  That doesn&#8217;t mean nuclear power isn&#8217;t our likely best option though, because you are not considering the fact that the entire energy industry landscape is warped with government interference.</p>
<p>As per the credit crunch; if you think it is a function of short sighted investors you are sadly mistaken.  There are many superficial reasons for it happening, but the underlying reason is the same as it was for every other fluctuation in the business cycle &#8211; fractional reserve banking and central banking.  Although technically with a fiat currency we are basically no-reserve banking.  Look up the Austrian theory of the business cycle.  They had this shit explained a very long time ago.  Even predicted this crisis.  And the Great Depression.</p>
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		<title>By: Rif</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/25/los-angeles-unveils-worlds-largest-solar-plan/#comment-4589</link>
		<dc:creator>Rif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Edward

The US nuclear industry has received lots of subsidiaries ever since 1950&#039;ies, otherwise no nuclear plants would have been built. That makes nuclear power a &quot;socialist&quot; energy source as well.



BTW US has a lot of totally socialist programs: Public schools, police, fire fighters, libraries, roads, etc.



It is all part of living in a society. A responsible government will set taxes to promote and direct the behavior of businesses and individual persons for the benefit of the country.



Without rules and oversight on the market businesses has a tendency to aim for their own short term profits even when it causes long term costs for society, see the recent credit crunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Edward</p>
<p>The US nuclear industry has received lots of subsidiaries ever since 1950&#8242;ies, otherwise no nuclear plants would have been built. That makes nuclear power a &#8220;socialist&#8221; energy source as well.</p>
<p>BTW US has a lot of totally socialist programs: Public schools, police, fire fighters, libraries, roads, etc.</p>
<p>It is all part of living in a society. A responsible government will set taxes to promote and direct the behavior of businesses and individual persons for the benefit of the country.</p>
<p>Without rules and oversight on the market businesses has a tendency to aim for their own short term profits even when it causes long term costs for society, see the recent credit crunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Rif</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/25/los-angeles-unveils-worlds-largest-solar-plan/#comment-21045</link>
		<dc:creator>Rif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Edward

The US nuclear industry has received lots of subsidiaries ever since 1950&#039;ies, otherwise no nuclear plants would have been built. That makes nuclear power a &quot;socialist&quot; energy source as well.



BTW US has a lot of totally socialist programs: Public schools, police, fire fighters, libraries, roads, etc.



It is all part of living in a society. A responsible government will set taxes to promote and direct the behavior of businesses and individual persons for the benefit of the country.



Without rules and oversight on the market businesses has a tendency to aim for their own short term profits even when it causes long term costs for society, see the recent credit crunch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Edward</p>
<p>The US nuclear industry has received lots of subsidiaries ever since 1950&#8242;ies, otherwise no nuclear plants would have been built. That makes nuclear power a &#8220;socialist&#8221; energy source as well.</p>
<p>BTW US has a lot of totally socialist programs: Public schools, police, fire fighters, libraries, roads, etc.</p>
<p>It is all part of living in a society. A responsible government will set taxes to promote and direct the behavior of businesses and individual persons for the benefit of the country.</p>
<p>Without rules and oversight on the market businesses has a tendency to aim for their own short term profits even when it causes long term costs for society, see the recent credit crunch.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/25/los-angeles-unveils-worlds-largest-solar-plan/#comment-4588</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, 1922 rather.  You can read the entire thing online here:

http://www.mises.org/books/socialism/contents.aspx



Well worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, 1922 rather.  You can read the entire thing online here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mises.org/books/socialism/contents.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.mises.org/books/socialism/contents.aspx</a></p>
<p>Well worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/25/los-angeles-unveils-worlds-largest-solar-plan/#comment-21044</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, 1922 rather.  You can read the entire thing online here:

http://www.mises.org/books/socialism/contents.aspx



Well worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, 1922 rather.  You can read the entire thing online here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mises.org/books/socialism/contents.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.mises.org/books/socialism/contents.aspx</a></p>
<p>Well worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/25/los-angeles-unveils-worlds-largest-solar-plan/#comment-4587</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, it doesn&#039;t matter how good the government&#039;s intentions are.  Economic central planning fails with absolute certainty.  This was proved in 1920 by Ludwig von Mises in his paper &#039;Socialism&#039;, and further elaborated by Hayek in &#039;The Road to Serfdom&#039;, for which he won the Nobel Prize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, it doesn&#8217;t matter how good the government&#8217;s intentions are.  Economic central planning fails with absolute certainty.  This was proved in 1920 by Ludwig von Mises in his paper &#8216;Socialism&#8217;, and further elaborated by Hayek in &#8216;The Road to Serfdom&#8217;, for which he won the Nobel Prize.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/25/los-angeles-unveils-worlds-largest-solar-plan/#comment-21043</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, it doesn&#039;t matter how good the government&#039;s intentions are.  Economic central planning fails with absolute certainty.  This was proved in 1920 by Ludwig von Mises in his paper &#039;Socialism&#039;, and further elaborated by Hayek in &#039;The Road to Serfdom&#039;, for which he won the Nobel Prize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, it doesn&#8217;t matter how good the government&#8217;s intentions are.  Economic central planning fails with absolute certainty.  This was proved in 1920 by Ludwig von Mises in his paper &#8216;Socialism&#8217;, and further elaborated by Hayek in &#8216;The Road to Serfdom&#8217;, for which he won the Nobel Prize.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Patriot</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/25/los-angeles-unveils-worlds-largest-solar-plan/#comment-4586</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government intervention in free markets is always a touchy subject, but when done for the benefit of the people (as opposed to the corporations as happened with biofuels) and is limited to an initial phase designed to accelerate the pace of change, much good can come from it.



Waiting until economics take hold has been proven, time and time again, to be a losing proposition in a world where 90% of the wealth is controlled by 5% of the people - they will always act in their own best interest, never in the public&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government intervention in free markets is always a touchy subject, but when done for the benefit of the people (as opposed to the corporations as happened with biofuels) and is limited to an initial phase designed to accelerate the pace of change, much good can come from it.</p>
<p>Waiting until economics take hold has been proven, time and time again, to be a losing proposition in a world where 90% of the wealth is controlled by 5% of the people &#8211; they will always act in their own best interest, never in the public&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Global Patriot</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/25/los-angeles-unveils-worlds-largest-solar-plan/#comment-21042</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government intervention in free markets is always a touchy subject, but when done for the benefit of the people (as opposed to the corporations as happened with biofuels) and is limited to an initial phase designed to accelerate the pace of change, much good can come from it.



Waiting until economics take hold has been proven, time and time again, to be a losing proposition in a world where 90% of the wealth is controlled by 5% of the people - they will always act in their own best interest, never in the public&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government intervention in free markets is always a touchy subject, but when done for the benefit of the people (as opposed to the corporations as happened with biofuels) and is limited to an initial phase designed to accelerate the pace of change, much good can come from it.</p>
<p>Waiting until economics take hold has been proven, time and time again, to be a losing proposition in a world where 90% of the wealth is controlled by 5% of the people &#8211; they will always act in their own best interest, never in the public&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/25/los-angeles-unveils-worlds-largest-solar-plan/#comment-4585</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a fan of coal.  Inadequate property rights mean that not the all the costs are represented by the price.  On the other hand, coal was extremely important in the past in providing the cheap energy necessary to vastly increase the quality of life for billions of people.



Solar will never replace coal.  It is far too expensive, low density, and unreliable.  The only serious alternative to fossil fuels is nuclear power.



And with regards to &quot;creating jobs&quot; by government subsidies, that is a fallacy.  Not only are you not considering where the government gets its money - by removing wealth from the productive economy, but the price mechanism is central to allocating resources and should not be tampered with.  Just one example of how that turns out is the subsidising of biofuels which led to corn being diverted from the mouths of the poor to the gas tanks of the rich.  Since the government is not subject to profit and loss feedback, its resource allocation has absolutely no reason to complement the aggregate priorities and values of actors in the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a fan of coal.  Inadequate property rights mean that not the all the costs are represented by the price.  On the other hand, coal was extremely important in the past in providing the cheap energy necessary to vastly increase the quality of life for billions of people.</p>
<p>Solar will never replace coal.  It is far too expensive, low density, and unreliable.  The only serious alternative to fossil fuels is nuclear power.</p>
<p>And with regards to &#8220;creating jobs&#8221; by government subsidies, that is a fallacy.  Not only are you not considering where the government gets its money &#8211; by removing wealth from the productive economy, but the price mechanism is central to allocating resources and should not be tampered with.  Just one example of how that turns out is the subsidising of biofuels which led to corn being diverted from the mouths of the poor to the gas tanks of the rich.  Since the government is not subject to profit and loss feedback, its resource allocation has absolutely no reason to complement the aggregate priorities and values of actors in the economy.</p>
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