Comments on: Energy Versus Water: Is Blue the New Green? http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/10/energy-versus-water-is-blue-the-new-green/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Fri, 25 May 2012 22:41:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Paul O Callaghan http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/10/energy-versus-water-is-blue-the-new-green/#comment-3765 Paul O Callaghan Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:36:45 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1410#comment-3765 In relation to Clifford J. Wirth's comments re Peak Oil. I am not so convinced. Peak cheap oil sure. But there's more oil out there, its just going to cost more. So whats the consequence of that? If oil hits $200/ barrel or more? Energy efficiency becomes more attractive, renewables become more cost effective, we drive more fuel efficient cars. The economy adjusts to the increase in the price of oil. In any case, we just meet 25% of global energy needs with oil. The other 75% is still predominantly fossil fuels, coal and natural gas. - Check out 'Peak oil is wrong' feature with Peter Schwartz at cleantech.com for an interesting presentation on Peak oil. In relation to Clifford J. Wirth’s comments re Peak Oil. I am not so convinced. Peak cheap oil sure. But there’s more oil out there, its just going to cost more.

So whats the consequence of that? If oil hits $200/ barrel or more? Energy efficiency becomes more attractive, renewables become more cost effective, we drive more fuel efficient cars. The economy adjusts to the increase in the price of oil. In any case, we just meet 25% of global energy needs with oil. The other 75% is still predominantly fossil fuels, coal and natural gas.

- Check out ‘Peak oil is wrong’ feature with Peter Schwartz at cleantech.com for an interesting presentation on Peak oil.

]]> By: Paul O Callaghan http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/10/energy-versus-water-is-blue-the-new-green/#comment-20568 Paul O Callaghan Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:36:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1410#comment-20568 In relation to Clifford J. Wirth's comments re Peak Oil. I am not so convinced. Peak cheap oil sure. But there's more oil out there, its just going to cost more. So whats the consequence of that? If oil hits $200/ barrel or more? Energy efficiency becomes more attractive, renewables become more cost effective, we drive more fuel efficient cars. The economy adjusts to the increase in the price of oil. In any case, we just meet 25% of global energy needs with oil. The other 75% is still predominantly fossil fuels, coal and natural gas. - Check out 'Peak oil is wrong' feature with Peter Schwartz at cleantech.com for an interesting presentation on Peak oil. In relation to Clifford J. Wirth’s comments re Peak Oil. I am not so convinced. Peak cheap oil sure. But there’s more oil out there, its just going to cost more.

So whats the consequence of that? If oil hits $200/ barrel or more? Energy efficiency becomes more attractive, renewables become more cost effective, we drive more fuel efficient cars. The economy adjusts to the increase in the price of oil. In any case, we just meet 25% of global energy needs with oil. The other 75% is still predominantly fossil fuels, coal and natural gas.

- Check out ‘Peak oil is wrong’ feature with Peter Schwartz at cleantech.com for an interesting presentation on Peak oil.

]]> By: Paul O Callaghan http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/10/energy-versus-water-is-blue-the-new-green/#comment-20569 Paul O Callaghan Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:36:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1410#comment-20569 In relation to Clifford J. Wirth's comments re Peak Oil. I am not so convinced. Peak cheap oil sure. But there's more oil out there, its just going to cost more. So whats the consequence of that? If oil hits $200/ barrel or more? Energy efficiency becomes more attractive, renewables become more cost effective, we drive more fuel efficient cars. The economy adjusts to the increase in the price of oil. In any case, we just meet 25% of global energy needs with oil. The other 75% is still predominantly fossil fuels, coal and natural gas. - Check out 'Peak oil is wrong' feature with Peter Schwartz at cleantech.com for an interesting presentation on Peak oil. In relation to Clifford J. Wirth’s comments re Peak Oil. I am not so convinced. Peak cheap oil sure. But there’s more oil out there, its just going to cost more.

So whats the consequence of that? If oil hits $200/ barrel or more? Energy efficiency becomes more attractive, renewables become more cost effective, we drive more fuel efficient cars. The economy adjusts to the increase in the price of oil. In any case, we just meet 25% of global energy needs with oil. The other 75% is still predominantly fossil fuels, coal and natural gas.

- Check out ‘Peak oil is wrong’ feature with Peter Schwartz at cleantech.com for an interesting presentation on Peak oil.

]]> By: Paul O Callaghan http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/10/energy-versus-water-is-blue-the-new-green/#comment-3764 Paul O Callaghan Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:16:26 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1410#comment-3764 There are a number of companies looking at this. Check out Finavera have been using their floating 'AquaBuOYs' off the coast of Oregon. They bob up and down and compress seawater which is then used to drive a turbine. There are lots of variations on the theme around this. One of the challenges with wave energy, and also with tidal energy, is to engineer something which is robust enough to withstand the marine environment. Then there is the cost of getting the energy back on shore. So while the energy is free, building the infrastructure isnt. It will be interesting to see what the installed cost per MegaWatt is compared to other forms of renewable. There are a number of companies looking at this. Check out Finavera have been using their floating ‘AquaBuOYs’ off the coast of Oregon. They bob up and down and compress seawater which is then used to drive a turbine. There are lots of variations on the theme around this. One of the challenges with wave energy, and also with tidal energy, is to engineer something which is robust enough to withstand the marine environment. Then there is the cost of getting the energy back on shore. So while the energy is free, building the infrastructure isnt. It will be interesting to see what the installed cost per MegaWatt is compared to other forms of renewable.

]]> By: Paul O Callaghan http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/10/energy-versus-water-is-blue-the-new-green/#comment-20566 Paul O Callaghan Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:16:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1410#comment-20566 There are a number of companies looking at this. Check out Finavera have been using their floating 'AquaBuOYs' off the coast of Oregon. They bob up and down and compress seawater which is then used to drive a turbine. There are lots of variations on the theme around this. One of the challenges with wave energy, and also with tidal energy, is to engineer something which is robust enough to withstand the marine environment. Then there is the cost of getting the energy back on shore. So while the energy is free, building the infrastructure isnt. It will be interesting to see what the installed cost per MegaWatt is compared to other forms of renewable. There are a number of companies looking at this. Check out Finavera have been using their floating ‘AquaBuOYs’ off the coast of Oregon. They bob up and down and compress seawater which is then used to drive a turbine. There are lots of variations on the theme around this. One of the challenges with wave energy, and also with tidal energy, is to engineer something which is robust enough to withstand the marine environment. Then there is the cost of getting the energy back on shore. So while the energy is free, building the infrastructure isnt. It will be interesting to see what the installed cost per MegaWatt is compared to other forms of renewable.

]]> By: Paul O Callaghan http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/10/energy-versus-water-is-blue-the-new-green/#comment-20567 Paul O Callaghan Tue, 23 Jun 2009 11:16:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1410#comment-20567 There are a number of companies looking at this. Check out Finavera have been using their floating 'AquaBuOYs' off the coast of Oregon. They bob up and down and compress seawater which is then used to drive a turbine. There are lots of variations on the theme around this. One of the challenges with wave energy, and also with tidal energy, is to engineer something which is robust enough to withstand the marine environment. Then there is the cost of getting the energy back on shore. So while the energy is free, building the infrastructure isnt. It will be interesting to see what the installed cost per MegaWatt is compared to other forms of renewable. There are a number of companies looking at this. Check out Finavera have been using their floating ‘AquaBuOYs’ off the coast of Oregon. They bob up and down and compress seawater which is then used to drive a turbine. There are lots of variations on the theme around this. One of the challenges with wave energy, and also with tidal energy, is to engineer something which is robust enough to withstand the marine environment. Then there is the cost of getting the energy back on shore. So while the energy is free, building the infrastructure isnt. It will be interesting to see what the installed cost per MegaWatt is compared to other forms of renewable.

]]> By: Chat Up http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/10/energy-versus-water-is-blue-the-new-green/#comment-3763 Chat Up Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:17:04 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1410#comment-3763 I'm interested in seeing if they pursue generating power with waves in the near future. I know Obama is somewhat pushing for alternative energy, but I hope that blue is the new green. I’m interested in seeing if they pursue generating power with waves in the near future. I know Obama is somewhat pushing for alternative energy, but I hope that blue is the new green.

]]> By: Chat Up http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/10/energy-versus-water-is-blue-the-new-green/#comment-20564 Chat Up Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:17:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1410#comment-20564 I'm interested in seeing if they pursue generating power with waves in the near future. I know Obama is somewhat pushing for alternative energy, but I hope that blue is the new green. I’m interested in seeing if they pursue generating power with waves in the near future. I know Obama is somewhat pushing for alternative energy, but I hope that blue is the new green.

]]> By: Chat Up http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/10/energy-versus-water-is-blue-the-new-green/#comment-20565 Chat Up Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:17:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1410#comment-20565 I'm interested in seeing if they pursue generating power with waves in the near future. I know Obama is somewhat pushing for alternative energy, but I hope that blue is the new green. I’m interested in seeing if they pursue generating power with waves in the near future. I know Obama is somewhat pushing for alternative energy, but I hope that blue is the new green.

]]> By: Global Patriot http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/10/energy-versus-water-is-blue-the-new-green/#comment-3762 Global Patriot Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:35:13 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1410#comment-3762 The reality of Peak Oil has been known, though commonly denied, for 50 years. We recently experienced a brief shockwave of this dynamic. The same reality has existed with water, but to date it has received less attention due to the fact that the commodity is far less controlled than oil. But that is changing, as corporations are now attempting to subjugate water in a similar manner, holding the world's poorest nations up for ransom - just to get a drink of water. The reality of Peak Oil has been known, though commonly denied, for 50 years. We recently experienced a brief shockwave of this dynamic. The same reality has existed with water, but to date it has received less attention due to the fact that the commodity is far less controlled than oil.

But that is changing, as corporations are now attempting to subjugate water in a similar manner, holding the world’s poorest nations up for ransom – just to get a drink of water.

]]> By: Global Patriot http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/10/energy-versus-water-is-blue-the-new-green/#comment-20563 Global Patriot Sat, 15 Nov 2008 04:35:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1410#comment-20563 The reality of Peak Oil has been known, though commonly denied, for 50 years. We recently experienced a brief shockwave of this dynamic. The same reality has existed with water, but to date it has received less attention due to the fact that the commodity is far less controlled than oil. But that is changing, as corporations are now attempting to subjugate water in a similar manner, holding the world's poorest nations up for ransom - just to get a drink of water. The reality of Peak Oil has been known, though commonly denied, for 50 years. We recently experienced a brief shockwave of this dynamic. The same reality has existed with water, but to date it has received less attention due to the fact that the commodity is far less controlled than oil.

But that is changing, as corporations are now attempting to subjugate water in a similar manner, holding the world’s poorest nations up for ransom – just to get a drink of water.

]]> By: Clifford J. Wirth, Ph.D. http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/10/energy-versus-water-is-blue-the-new-green/#comment-3761 Clifford J. Wirth, Ph.D. Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:50:17 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1410#comment-3761 Peak Oil it the immenent threat, not water or globle warming. According to most independent scientific studies, global oil production will now decline from 74 million barrels per day to 60 million barrels per day by 2015. During the same time demand will increase 9%. No one can reverse this trend, nor can we conserve our way out of this catastrophe. Because the demand for oil is so high, it will always exceed production levels; thus oil depletion will continue steadily until all recoverable oil is extracted. Alternatives will not even begin to fill the gap. And most alternatives yield electric power, but we need liquid fuels for tractors/combines, 18 wheel trucks, trains, ships, and mining equipment. We are facing the collapse of the highways that depend on diesel trucks for maintenance of bridges, cleaning culverts to avoid road washouts, snow plowing, roadbed and surface repair. When the highways fail, so will the power grid, as highways carry the parts, transformers, steel for pylons, and high tension cables, all from far away. With the highways out, there will be no food coming in from "outside," and without the power grid virtually nothing works, including home heating, pumping of gasoline and diesel, airports, communications, and automated systems. This is documented in a free 48 page report that can be downloaded, website posted, distributed, and emailed: http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html I used to live in NH-USA, but moved to a sustainable place. Anyone interested in relocating to a nice, pretty, sustainable area with a good climate and good soil? Email: clifford dot wirth at yahoo dot com or give me a phone call which operates here as my old USA-NH number 603-668-4207. http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/ Peak Oil it the immenent threat, not water or globle warming.

According to most independent scientific studies, global oil production will now decline from 74 million barrels per day to 60 million barrels per day by 2015. During the same time demand will increase 9%.

No one can reverse this trend, nor can we conserve our way out of this catastrophe. Because the demand for oil is so high, it will always exceed production levels; thus oil depletion will continue steadily until all recoverable oil is extracted.

Alternatives will not even begin to fill the gap. And most alternatives yield electric power, but we need liquid fuels for tractors/combines, 18 wheel trucks, trains, ships, and mining equipment.

We are facing the collapse of the highways that depend on diesel trucks for maintenance of bridges, cleaning culverts to avoid road washouts, snow plowing, roadbed and surface repair. When the highways fail, so will the power grid, as highways carry the parts, transformers, steel for pylons, and high tension cables, all from far away. With the highways out, there will be no food coming in from “outside,” and without the power grid virtually nothing works, including home heating, pumping of gasoline and diesel, airports, communications, and automated systems.

This is documented in a free 48 page report that can be downloaded, website posted, distributed, and emailed: http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html

I used to live in NH-USA, but moved to a sustainable place. Anyone interested in relocating to a nice, pretty, sustainable area with a good climate and good soil? Email: clifford dot wirth at yahoo dot com or give me a phone call which operates here as my old USA-NH number 603-668-4207. http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Clifford J. Wirth, Ph.D. http://cleantechnica.com/2008/11/10/energy-versus-water-is-blue-the-new-green/#comment-20562 Clifford J. Wirth, Ph.D. Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:50:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1410#comment-20562 Peak Oil it the immenent threat, not water or globle warming. According to most independent scientific studies, global oil production will now decline from 74 million barrels per day to 60 million barrels per day by 2015. During the same time demand will increase 9%. No one can reverse this trend, nor can we conserve our way out of this catastrophe. Because the demand for oil is so high, it will always exceed production levels; thus oil depletion will continue steadily until all recoverable oil is extracted. Alternatives will not even begin to fill the gap. And most alternatives yield electric power, but we need liquid fuels for tractors/combines, 18 wheel trucks, trains, ships, and mining equipment. We are facing the collapse of the highways that depend on diesel trucks for maintenance of bridges, cleaning culverts to avoid road washouts, snow plowing, roadbed and surface repair. When the highways fail, so will the power grid, as highways carry the parts, transformers, steel for pylons, and high tension cables, all from far away. With the highways out, there will be no food coming in from "outside," and without the power grid virtually nothing works, including home heating, pumping of gasoline and diesel, airports, communications, and automated systems. This is documented in a free 48 page report that can be downloaded, website posted, distributed, and emailed: http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html I used to live in NH-USA, but moved to a sustainable place. Anyone interested in relocating to a nice, pretty, sustainable area with a good climate and good soil? Email: clifford dot wirth at yahoo dot com or give me a phone call which operates here as my old USA-NH number 603-668-4207. http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/ Peak Oil it the immenent threat, not water or globle warming.

According to most independent scientific studies, global oil production will now decline from 74 million barrels per day to 60 million barrels per day by 2015. During the same time demand will increase 9%.

No one can reverse this trend, nor can we conserve our way out of this catastrophe. Because the demand for oil is so high, it will always exceed production levels; thus oil depletion will continue steadily until all recoverable oil is extracted.

Alternatives will not even begin to fill the gap. And most alternatives yield electric power, but we need liquid fuels for tractors/combines, 18 wheel trucks, trains, ships, and mining equipment.

We are facing the collapse of the highways that depend on diesel trucks for maintenance of bridges, cleaning culverts to avoid road washouts, snow plowing, roadbed and surface repair. When the highways fail, so will the power grid, as highways carry the parts, transformers, steel for pylons, and high tension cables, all from far away. With the highways out, there will be no food coming in from “outside,” and without the power grid virtually nothing works, including home heating, pumping of gasoline and diesel, airports, communications, and automated systems.

This is documented in a free 48 page report that can be downloaded, website posted, distributed, and emailed: http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html

I used to live in NH-USA, but moved to a sustainable place. Anyone interested in relocating to a nice, pretty, sustainable area with a good climate and good soil? Email: clifford dot wirth at yahoo dot com or give me a phone call which operates here as my old USA-NH number 603-668-4207. http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/

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