Comments on: Pepperidge Farm Opens Largest Fuel Cell Plant In United States http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Fri, 25 May 2012 21:35:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: employee time management http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/#comment-3854 employee time management Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:12:54 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1304#comment-3854 Pepperidge Farm Heavy Industries Ltd. , in partnership with Hidden Valley Petrochemicals, Inc. Pepperidge Farm Heavy Industries Ltd. , in partnership with Hidden Valley Petrochemicals, Inc.

]]> By: employee time management http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/#comment-20284 employee time management Thu, 02 Jul 2009 00:12:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1304#comment-20284 Pepperidge Farm Heavy Industries Ltd. , in partnership with Hidden Valley Petrochemicals, Inc. Pepperidge Farm Heavy Industries Ltd. , in partnership with Hidden Valley Petrochemicals, Inc.

]]> By: Maria http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/#comment-3853 Maria Sun, 19 Oct 2008 07:14:29 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1304#comment-3853 Matt, Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, but it's difficult to capture in its pure form. Fuel cells offer a resource-efficient way of capturing hydrogen, which is then transformed into energy. They're not "making" hydrogen per se, just synthesizing it from what's already there. From a resource perspective (if we were to forget monetary cost, which is a very ego-centric, capitalism-driven model of evaluating the world), fuel cells make a lot of environmental sense. Matt,

Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, but it’s difficult to capture in its pure form. Fuel cells offer a resource-efficient way of capturing hydrogen, which is then transformed into energy. They’re not “making” hydrogen per se, just synthesizing it from what’s already there. From a resource perspective (if we were to forget monetary cost, which is a very ego-centric, capitalism-driven model of evaluating the world), fuel cells make a lot of environmental sense.

]]> By: Maria http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/#comment-20283 Maria Sun, 19 Oct 2008 07:14:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1304#comment-20283 Matt, Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, but it's difficult to capture in its pure form. Fuel cells offer a resource-efficient way of capturing hydrogen, which is then transformed into energy. They're not "making" hydrogen per se, just synthesizing it from what's already there. From a resource perspective (if we were to forget monetary cost, which is a very ego-centric, capitalism-driven model of evaluating the world), fuel cells make a lot of environmental sense. Matt,

Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, but it’s difficult to capture in its pure form. Fuel cells offer a resource-efficient way of capturing hydrogen, which is then transformed into energy. They’re not “making” hydrogen per se, just synthesizing it from what’s already there. From a resource perspective (if we were to forget monetary cost, which is a very ego-centric, capitalism-driven model of evaluating the world), fuel cells make a lot of environmental sense.

]]> By: infektor23 http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/#comment-3852 infektor23 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:49:24 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1304#comment-3852 Matt, the reason that fuel cells are better than gas turbines is because turbines produce co2 from the exhaust whereas a fuel cell produces no such exhaust by first turning the gas into hydrogen which is many fold cleaner when used in a fuel cell. Burning gas in the oven's is far from an efficent way to use the fuel because it only gains heat not heat and electricty from it, that is why fuel cells are more efficent. As for the source of the fuel surely it is better to make as much consolidated use of the fuel rather than burn it in inefficient ways. Matt, the reason that fuel cells are better than gas turbines is because turbines produce co2 from the exhaust whereas a fuel cell produces no such exhaust by first turning the gas into hydrogen which is many fold cleaner when used in a fuel cell.

Burning gas in the oven’s is far from an efficent way to use the fuel because it only gains heat not heat and electricty from it, that is why fuel cells are more efficent.

As for the source of the fuel surely it is better to make as much consolidated use of the fuel rather than burn it in inefficient ways.

]]> By: infektor23 http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/#comment-20282 infektor23 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:49:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1304#comment-20282 Matt, the reason that fuel cells are better than gas turbines is because turbines produce co2 from the exhaust whereas a fuel cell produces no such exhaust by first turning the gas into hydrogen which is many fold cleaner when used in a fuel cell. Burning gas in the oven's is far from an efficent way to use the fuel because it only gains heat not heat and electricty from it, that is why fuel cells are more efficent. As for the source of the fuel surely it is better to make as much consolidated use of the fuel rather than burn it in inefficient ways. Matt, the reason that fuel cells are better than gas turbines is because turbines produce co2 from the exhaust whereas a fuel cell produces no such exhaust by first turning the gas into hydrogen which is many fold cleaner when used in a fuel cell.

Burning gas in the oven’s is far from an efficent way to use the fuel because it only gains heat not heat and electricty from it, that is why fuel cells are more efficent.

As for the source of the fuel surely it is better to make as much consolidated use of the fuel rather than burn it in inefficient ways.

]]> By: gWallet http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/#comment-3851 gWallet Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:03:37 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1304#comment-3851 While the project itself IS impressive, Matt makes some very good points here. Fuel cell technology is impressive, but he's correct, the fuel for the fuel cell has to come from somewhere, and while the end may justify the means, can they actually claim that the entire process operates at such a high efficiency? While the project itself IS impressive, Matt makes some very good points here. Fuel cell technology is impressive, but he’s correct, the fuel for the fuel cell has to come from somewhere, and while the end may justify the means, can they actually claim that the entire process operates at such a high efficiency?

]]> By: gWallet http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/#comment-20281 gWallet Thu, 16 Oct 2008 07:03:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1304#comment-20281 While the project itself IS impressive, Matt makes some very good points here. Fuel cell technology is impressive, but he's correct, the fuel for the fuel cell has to come from somewhere, and while the end may justify the means, can they actually claim that the entire process operates at such a high efficiency? While the project itself IS impressive, Matt makes some very good points here. Fuel cell technology is impressive, but he’s correct, the fuel for the fuel cell has to come from somewhere, and while the end may justify the means, can they actually claim that the entire process operates at such a high efficiency?

]]> By: Hellokevin11 http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/#comment-3850 Hellokevin11 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:56:10 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1304#comment-3850 Now if they would only make their cookies healthier and cut out all the cholesterol in them. If they cut out the cheap hydrogenated fats it would be more impressive to me. Now if they would only make their cookies healthier and cut out all the cholesterol in them. If they cut out the cheap hydrogenated fats it would be more impressive to me.

]]> By: Hellokevin11 http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/#comment-20280 Hellokevin11 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:56:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1304#comment-20280 Now if they would only make their cookies healthier and cut out all the cholesterol in them. If they cut out the cheap hydrogenated fats it would be more impressive to me. Now if they would only make their cookies healthier and cut out all the cholesterol in them. If they cut out the cheap hydrogenated fats it would be more impressive to me.

]]> By: impwiz http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/#comment-3849 impwiz Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:51:27 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1304#comment-3849 I feel our human footprint shrinking. I feel our human footprint shrinking.

]]> By: impwiz http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/#comment-20279 impwiz Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:51:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1304#comment-20279 I feel our human footprint shrinking. I feel our human footprint shrinking.

]]> By: Matt http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/#comment-3848 Matt Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:47:24 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1304#comment-3848 Fuel cells are useless by themselves--they still need fuel. How do we know they aren't just using hydrogen from dirty coal? It would be 90+% efficient if they just used electricity made by the coal plant, instead of using the electricity to make hydrogen, then ussing hydrogen o make electricity. If they are running their fuel cells directly off natural gas, why not build a traditional gas turbine, which makes plenty of heat to run the ovens (and probably saves money)? Or why not just burn natural gas directly in the ovens? Fuel cells are practical in cars because they let us store energy in chemical form and refuel instead of recharge. The energy still has to come from somewhere, whether it is coal, nuclear, or renewable energy. Fuel cells are useless by themselves–they still need fuel. How do we know they aren’t just using hydrogen from dirty coal? It would be 90+% efficient if they just used electricity made by the coal plant, instead of using the electricity to make hydrogen, then ussing hydrogen o make electricity. If they are running their fuel cells directly off natural gas, why not build a traditional gas turbine, which makes plenty of heat to run the ovens (and probably saves money)? Or why not just burn natural gas directly in the ovens?

Fuel cells are practical in cars because they let us store energy in chemical form and refuel instead of recharge. The energy still has to come from somewhere, whether it is coal, nuclear, or renewable energy.

]]> By: Matt http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/#comment-20278 Matt Thu, 16 Oct 2008 02:47:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1304#comment-20278 Fuel cells are useless by themselves--they still need fuel. How do we know they aren't just using hydrogen from dirty coal? It would be 90+% efficient if they just used electricity made by the coal plant, instead of using the electricity to make hydrogen, then ussing hydrogen o make electricity. If they are running their fuel cells directly off natural gas, why not build a traditional gas turbine, which makes plenty of heat to run the ovens (and probably saves money)? Or why not just burn natural gas directly in the ovens? Fuel cells are practical in cars because they let us store energy in chemical form and refuel instead of recharge. The energy still has to come from somewhere, whether it is coal, nuclear, or renewable energy. Fuel cells are useless by themselves–they still need fuel. How do we know they aren’t just using hydrogen from dirty coal? It would be 90+% efficient if they just used electricity made by the coal plant, instead of using the electricity to make hydrogen, then ussing hydrogen o make electricity. If they are running their fuel cells directly off natural gas, why not build a traditional gas turbine, which makes plenty of heat to run the ovens (and probably saves money)? Or why not just burn natural gas directly in the ovens?

Fuel cells are practical in cars because they let us store energy in chemical form and refuel instead of recharge. The energy still has to come from somewhere, whether it is coal, nuclear, or renewable energy.

]]> By: John Roberts http://cleantechnica.com/2008/10/15/pepperidge-farm-installs-largest-fuel-cell-plant-in-united-states/#comment-3847 John Roberts Thu, 16 Oct 2008 01:53:21 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=1304#comment-3847 Yawn, I feel the grocery prices rising as I type! Jiff www.privacy-tools.at.tc Yawn, I feel the grocery prices rising as I type!

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