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	<title>Comments on: World&#039;s First Commercial Wave Energy Farm Goes Live</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 18:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harvesting power from the wind and sun are old as dirt also and have grown leaps and bounds lately.:
 http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/23/solar-power-intro-3-key-solar-power-points-top-solar-power-news/ 
http://cleantechnica.com/world-wind-power/


Obviously, technology is different today than it was 100 years ago.

and it will be diff in the future.

I don&#039;t think wave or tidal energy will ever be huge, but they could be helpful in regions with god resources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harvesting power from the wind and sun are old as dirt also and have grown leaps and bounds lately.:<br />
 <a href="http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/23/solar-power-intro-3-key-solar-power-points-top-solar-power-news/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/2011/08/23/solar-power-intro-3-key-solar-power-points-top-solar-power-news/</a><br />
<a href="http://cleantechnica.com/world-wind-power/" rel="nofollow">http://cleantechnica.com/world-wind-power/</a></p>
<p>Obviously, technology is different today than it was 100 years ago.</p>
<p>and it will be diff in the future.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think wave or tidal energy will ever be huge, but they could be helpful in regions with god resources.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/24/worlds-first-commercial-wave-energy-farm-goes-live/#comment-105567</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Oct 2011 16:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s 10/2011, I&#039;m here with a question.... This is an idea as old as dirt.! To harness the power of water on rising and falling tides, and to make use of wave action. 

Those who are all giddy about the prospects must think generations before us never thought of it!

The truth is, the amount of equipment, the cost of building it, maintenance and more, far outweigh the power production.

Uncle B, let&#039;s use your argument, I need money, I&#039;d like to borrow yours! I&#039;ll give you one percent. Don&#039;t laugh, I plan to pay you forever, so don&#039;t counter with it&#039;s not enough, as you&#039;ll be contradicting yourself and your profoundly niave post two years ago.

Now the question... where&#039;s the follow up on this orig post, what&#039;s the cost per KwH? Uncle B might be willing to pay $3.20 cents a KWH, but what about the rest of us?            </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s 10/2011, I&#8217;m here with a question&#8230;. This is an idea as old as dirt.! To harness the power of water on rising and falling tides, and to make use of wave action. </p>
<p>Those who are all giddy about the prospects must think generations before us never thought of it!</p>
<p>The truth is, the amount of equipment, the cost of building it, maintenance and more, far outweigh the power production.</p>
<p>Uncle B, let&#8217;s use your argument, I need money, I&#8217;d like to borrow yours! I&#8217;ll give you one percent. Don&#8217;t laugh, I plan to pay you forever, so don&#8217;t counter with it&#8217;s not enough, as you&#8217;ll be contradicting yourself and your profoundly niave post two years ago.</p>
<p>Now the question&#8230; where&#8217;s the follow up on this orig post, what&#8217;s the cost per KwH? Uncle B might be willing to pay $3.20 cents a KWH, but what about the rest of us?</p>
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		<title>By: Wave Energy Farm To Be Developed Off The San Francisco Coast &#8211; Blue Living Ideas</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/24/worlds-first-commercial-wave-energy-farm-goes-live/#comment-74416</link>
		<dc:creator>Wave Energy Farm To Be Developed Off The San Francisco Coast &#8211; Blue Living Ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have already been funded in Europe and Australia.Â  In fact the worldâ€™s first commercial wave energy farm was launched in 2008 at the AguÃ§adora Wave Park off Portugalâ€™s northern coast. The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have already been funded in Europe and Australia.Â  In fact the worldâ€™s first commercial wave energy farm was launched in 2008 at the AguÃ§adora Wave Park off Portugalâ€™s northern coast. The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle B</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/24/worlds-first-commercial-wave-energy-farm-goes-live/#comment-3181</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 11:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You speak of inefficient? When the power from these sources is free and perpetual, how in Hell does efficiency get measured? Against what? It is free and perpetual to start with! Take as much as you like, more comes! Naturally, the guy with the least invested who reaps the most power will make more money at first, but as time goes on, the energy keeps flowing, diminishing the original cost to zero anyway, not so? Thankfully, every dawn brings a new invention or refinement that either helps us use power with greater efficiency or to produce more power for a given cash input, but the point I try to make is that solar, wind, wave, tidal, and geothermal power all seem infinite,renewable, and &quot;Perpetual&quot;, no efficiency factor needed - forever producing! The physics of forbidden propagandized perpetual power was always here, just perverted away from our logic by semantics!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You speak of inefficient? When the power from these sources is free and perpetual, how in Hell does efficiency get measured? Against what? It is free and perpetual to start with! Take as much as you like, more comes! Naturally, the guy with the least invested who reaps the most power will make more money at first, but as time goes on, the energy keeps flowing, diminishing the original cost to zero anyway, not so? Thankfully, every dawn brings a new invention or refinement that either helps us use power with greater efficiency or to produce more power for a given cash input, but the point I try to make is that solar, wind, wave, tidal, and geothermal power all seem infinite,renewable, and &#8220;Perpetual&#8221;, no efficiency factor needed &#8211; forever producing! The physics of forbidden propagandized perpetual power was always here, just perverted away from our logic by semantics!</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle B</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/24/worlds-first-commercial-wave-energy-farm-goes-live/#comment-19811</link>
		<dc:creator>Uncle B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 11:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You speak of inefficient? When the power from these sources is free and perpetual, how in Hell does efficiency get measured? Against what? It is free and perpetual to start with! Take as much as you like, more comes! Naturally, the guy with the least invested who reaps the most power will make more money at first, but as time goes on, the energy keeps flowing, diminishing the original cost to zero anyway, not so? Thankfully, every dawn brings a new invention or refinement that either helps us use power with greater efficiency or to produce more power for a given cash input, but the point I try to make is that solar, wind, wave, tidal, and geothermal power all seem infinite,renewable, and &quot;Perpetual&quot;, no efficiency factor needed - forever producing! The physics of forbidden propagandized perpetual power was always here, just perverted away from our logic by semantics!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You speak of inefficient? When the power from these sources is free and perpetual, how in Hell does efficiency get measured? Against what? It is free and perpetual to start with! Take as much as you like, more comes! Naturally, the guy with the least invested who reaps the most power will make more money at first, but as time goes on, the energy keeps flowing, diminishing the original cost to zero anyway, not so? Thankfully, every dawn brings a new invention or refinement that either helps us use power with greater efficiency or to produce more power for a given cash input, but the point I try to make is that solar, wind, wave, tidal, and geothermal power all seem infinite,renewable, and &#8220;Perpetual&#8221;, no efficiency factor needed &#8211; forever producing! The physics of forbidden propagandized perpetual power was always here, just perverted away from our logic by semantics!</p>
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		<title>By: Fatbird</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/24/worlds-first-commercial-wave-energy-farm-goes-live/#comment-3180</link>
		<dc:creator>Fatbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>larryhagedon,

What you are talking about is decades away. The efficiency of deep-sea energies are terribly inefficient, and pales in comparison to other clean, renewable energy sources that are in the near future (for example, fusion power as produced by the under-construction HiPER). Also, removing minerals from sea water is mostly unnecessary. For example, the extraction of uranium from water requires an exorbitant amount of water and a complex system of electromagnetic and ion controls. Plus, uranium can really only be used for nuclear weapons and unclean (and sometimes dangerous) fission power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>larryhagedon,</p>
<p>What you are talking about is decades away. The efficiency of deep-sea energies are terribly inefficient, and pales in comparison to other clean, renewable energy sources that are in the near future (for example, fusion power as produced by the under-construction HiPER). Also, removing minerals from sea water is mostly unnecessary. For example, the extraction of uranium from water requires an exorbitant amount of water and a complex system of electromagnetic and ion controls. Plus, uranium can really only be used for nuclear weapons and unclean (and sometimes dangerous) fission power.</p>
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		<title>By: Fatbird</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/24/worlds-first-commercial-wave-energy-farm-goes-live/#comment-19810</link>
		<dc:creator>Fatbird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>larryhagedon,

What you are talking about is decades away. The efficiency of deep-sea energies are terribly inefficient, and pales in comparison to other clean, renewable energy sources that are in the near future (for example, fusion power as produced by the under-construction HiPER). Also, removing minerals from sea water is mostly unnecessary. For example, the extraction of uranium from water requires an exorbitant amount of water and a complex system of electromagnetic and ion controls. Plus, uranium can really only be used for nuclear weapons and unclean (and sometimes dangerous) fission power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>larryhagedon,</p>
<p>What you are talking about is decades away. The efficiency of deep-sea energies are terribly inefficient, and pales in comparison to other clean, renewable energy sources that are in the near future (for example, fusion power as produced by the under-construction HiPER). Also, removing minerals from sea water is mostly unnecessary. For example, the extraction of uranium from water requires an exorbitant amount of water and a complex system of electromagnetic and ion controls. Plus, uranium can really only be used for nuclear weapons and unclean (and sometimes dangerous) fission power.</p>
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		<title>By: larryhagedon</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/24/worlds-first-commercial-wave-energy-farm-goes-live/#comment-3179</link>
		<dc:creator>larryhagedon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The even better news is that dozens of other companies around the world also have sea based wind, wave, solar, tidal, and deep ocean currents power sources in late stages of development and some are in the testing stages.



They are also starting work on the ocean temperature differences, pumping cold deep ocean sea water up to cool our coastal cities.



Next will be massive desalination plants utilizing various combinations of all these power technologies for potable water, industrial and agricultural use. They will start out pumping water into the driest portions of coastal states, and gradualy expand the areas served.



Of course as most urban areas are already on the water grid, it will not take much to hook into that grid to sell desalinated water hundreds of miles inland.



As soon as they get sea water moving thru the pipes and being desalinated, they will start recovering the hundreds of minerals and chemicals in sea water that have merchantable value. Right now as I understand it only 4 or 5 minerals such as salt are routinely separated from sea water for sale. That will change big time, with many more being recovered; things like mercury and uranium, tin and silver, on and on.



larry hagedon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The even better news is that dozens of other companies around the world also have sea based wind, wave, solar, tidal, and deep ocean currents power sources in late stages of development and some are in the testing stages.</p>
<p>They are also starting work on the ocean temperature differences, pumping cold deep ocean sea water up to cool our coastal cities.</p>
<p>Next will be massive desalination plants utilizing various combinations of all these power technologies for potable water, industrial and agricultural use. They will start out pumping water into the driest portions of coastal states, and gradualy expand the areas served.</p>
<p>Of course as most urban areas are already on the water grid, it will not take much to hook into that grid to sell desalinated water hundreds of miles inland.</p>
<p>As soon as they get sea water moving thru the pipes and being desalinated, they will start recovering the hundreds of minerals and chemicals in sea water that have merchantable value. Right now as I understand it only 4 or 5 minerals such as salt are routinely separated from sea water for sale. That will change big time, with many more being recovered; things like mercury and uranium, tin and silver, on and on.</p>
<p>larry hagedon</p>
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		<title>By: larryhagedon</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/24/worlds-first-commercial-wave-energy-farm-goes-live/#comment-19809</link>
		<dc:creator>larryhagedon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The even better news is that dozens of other companies around the world also have sea based wind, wave, solar, tidal, and deep ocean currents power sources in late stages of development and some are in the testing stages.



They are also starting work on the ocean temperature differences, pumping cold deep ocean sea water up to cool our coastal cities.



Next will be massive desalination plants utilizing various combinations of all these power technologies for potable water, industrial and agricultural use. They will start out pumping water into the driest portions of coastal states, and gradualy expand the areas served.



Of course as most urban areas are already on the water grid, it will not take much to hook into that grid to sell desalinated water hundreds of miles inland.



As soon as they get sea water moving thru the pipes and being desalinated, they will start recovering the hundreds of minerals and chemicals in sea water that have merchantable value. Right now as I understand it only 4 or 5 minerals such as salt are routinely separated from sea water for sale. That will change big time, with many more being recovered; things like mercury and uranium, tin and silver, on and on.



larry hagedon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The even better news is that dozens of other companies around the world also have sea based wind, wave, solar, tidal, and deep ocean currents power sources in late stages of development and some are in the testing stages.</p>
<p>They are also starting work on the ocean temperature differences, pumping cold deep ocean sea water up to cool our coastal cities.</p>
<p>Next will be massive desalination plants utilizing various combinations of all these power technologies for potable water, industrial and agricultural use. They will start out pumping water into the driest portions of coastal states, and gradualy expand the areas served.</p>
<p>Of course as most urban areas are already on the water grid, it will not take much to hook into that grid to sell desalinated water hundreds of miles inland.</p>
<p>As soon as they get sea water moving thru the pipes and being desalinated, they will start recovering the hundreds of minerals and chemicals in sea water that have merchantable value. Right now as I understand it only 4 or 5 minerals such as salt are routinely separated from sea water for sale. That will change big time, with many more being recovered; things like mercury and uranium, tin and silver, on and on.</p>
<p>larry hagedon</p>
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		<title>By: Writer to the World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Writer to the World</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 11:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Ariel, you have some great commenters here.  Smart people.



I&#039;m a fan of ocean energy, because the potential is just enormous.  Internet Reader and Alpha certainly sound like they know what they&#039;re talking about, but I&#039;d like to remind them that our earliest ventures into energy were equally inefficient.  Of course, back then the only thing we had to compare it to was manual labor, so it looked much better than it actually was from today&#039;s perspective.



Still, they&#039;re quite correct that this technology and others like it are not likely to be adopted until the kinks are worked out.  That&#039;s the real value of these projects though, in my opinion.  We&#039;re learning, and we&#039;ll get better.  Renewable energy is all over the place.  We just have to get better at capturing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Ariel, you have some great commenters here.  Smart people.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a fan of ocean energy, because the potential is just enormous.  Internet Reader and Alpha certainly sound like they know what they&#8217;re talking about, but I&#8217;d like to remind them that our earliest ventures into energy were equally inefficient.  Of course, back then the only thing we had to compare it to was manual labor, so it looked much better than it actually was from today&#8217;s perspective.</p>
<p>Still, they&#8217;re quite correct that this technology and others like it are not likely to be adopted until the kinks are worked out.  That&#8217;s the real value of these projects though, in my opinion.  We&#8217;re learning, and we&#8217;ll get better.  Renewable energy is all over the place.  We just have to get better at capturing it.</p>
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