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	<title>Comments on: California&#039;s 220 MPH High-Speed Train Will Be Emissions-Free</title>
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		<title>By: ty</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/15/californias-220-mph-high-speed-train-will-be-emissions-free/#comment-2481</link>
		<dc:creator>ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys have probably all seen the virtual tour of the rail but...http://www.caivp.org/video/san-diego-waterfront/2009/1/22/california-high-speed-rail-visual-tour</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys have probably all seen the virtual tour of the rail but&#8230;<a href="http://www.caivp.org/video/san-diego-waterfront/2009/1/22/california-high-speed-rail-visual-tour" rel="nofollow">http://www.caivp.org/video/san-diego-waterfront/2009/1/22/california-high-speed-rail-visual-tour</a></p>
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		<title>By: ty</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/15/californias-220-mph-high-speed-train-will-be-emissions-free/#comment-19543</link>
		<dc:creator>ty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys have probably all seen the virtual tour of the rail but...http://www.caivp.org/video/san-diego-waterfront/2009/1/22/california-high-speed-rail-visual-tour</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys have probably all seen the virtual tour of the rail but&#8230;<a href="http://www.caivp.org/video/san-diego-waterfront/2009/1/22/california-high-speed-rail-visual-tour" rel="nofollow">http://www.caivp.org/video/san-diego-waterfront/2009/1/22/california-high-speed-rail-visual-tour</a></p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/15/californias-220-mph-high-speed-train-will-be-emissions-free/#comment-2480</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like everything else, I&#039;ll believe it when I see it.  2030?  Why not 2010?  We&#039;ve got money for everything else, (700B bailout, Iraq war, foriegn handouts, etc.) but this country continues to slag behind.  In 2030 this technology will be outdated.  Let&#039;s get going America.  This country is a big mess!  Build the train now!  Get some of these cars off the road and ease the airline industry.  (Clean our air as well)  China already has this train, no dought, it&#039;s better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like everything else, I&#8217;ll believe it when I see it.  2030?  Why not 2010?  We&#8217;ve got money for everything else, (700B bailout, Iraq war, foriegn handouts, etc.) but this country continues to slag behind.  In 2030 this technology will be outdated.  Let&#8217;s get going America.  This country is a big mess!  Build the train now!  Get some of these cars off the road and ease the airline industry.  (Clean our air as well)  China already has this train, no dought, it&#8217;s better!</p>
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		<title>By: Neal</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/15/californias-220-mph-high-speed-train-will-be-emissions-free/#comment-19542</link>
		<dc:creator>Neal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 11:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like everything else, I&#039;ll believe it when I see it.  2030?  Why not 2010?  We&#039;ve got money for everything else, (700B bailout, Iraq war, foriegn handouts, etc.) but this country continues to slag behind.  In 2030 this technology will be outdated.  Let&#039;s get going America.  This country is a big mess!  Build the train now!  Get some of these cars off the road and ease the airline industry.  (Clean our air as well)  China already has this train, no dought, it&#039;s better!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like everything else, I&#8217;ll believe it when I see it.  2030?  Why not 2010?  We&#8217;ve got money for everything else, (700B bailout, Iraq war, foriegn handouts, etc.) but this country continues to slag behind.  In 2030 this technology will be outdated.  Let&#8217;s get going America.  This country is a big mess!  Build the train now!  Get some of these cars off the road and ease the airline industry.  (Clean our air as well)  China already has this train, no dought, it&#8217;s better!</p>
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		<title>By: Spokker</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/15/californias-220-mph-high-speed-train-will-be-emissions-free/#comment-2479</link>
		<dc:creator>Spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The high speed line will open in segments. 2030 is the projected completion date for the entire system. The first segment, SF-LA would open in 2020 if prop 1A is approved in November.



&quot;Surely such a long distance high speed track will be damaged over time by tectonic movements until eventually the train hits a piece of tremor-damaged track and has a nasty accident.&quot;



After any moderate sized earthquake passenger tracks near the epicenter are inspected and trains are ordered to travel at restricted speed (15-20 MPH).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The high speed line will open in segments. 2030 is the projected completion date for the entire system. The first segment, SF-LA would open in 2020 if prop 1A is approved in November.</p>
<p>&#8220;Surely such a long distance high speed track will be damaged over time by tectonic movements until eventually the train hits a piece of tremor-damaged track and has a nasty accident.&#8221;</p>
<p>After any moderate sized earthquake passenger tracks near the epicenter are inspected and trains are ordered to travel at restricted speed (15-20 MPH).</p>
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		<title>By: Spokker</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/15/californias-220-mph-high-speed-train-will-be-emissions-free/#comment-19541</link>
		<dc:creator>Spokker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 23:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The high speed line will open in segments. 2030 is the projected completion date for the entire system. The first segment, SF-LA would open in 2020 if prop 1A is approved in November.



&quot;Surely such a long distance high speed track will be damaged over time by tectonic movements until eventually the train hits a piece of tremor-damaged track and has a nasty accident.&quot;



After any moderate sized earthquake passenger tracks near the epicenter are inspected and trains are ordered to travel at restricted speed (15-20 MPH).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The high speed line will open in segments. 2030 is the projected completion date for the entire system. The first segment, SF-LA would open in 2020 if prop 1A is approved in November.</p>
<p>&#8220;Surely such a long distance high speed track will be damaged over time by tectonic movements until eventually the train hits a piece of tremor-damaged track and has a nasty accident.&#8221;</p>
<p>After any moderate sized earthquake passenger tracks near the epicenter are inspected and trains are ordered to travel at restricted speed (15-20 MPH).</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/15/californias-220-mph-high-speed-train-will-be-emissions-free/#comment-2478</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely such a long distance high speed track will be damaged over time by tectonic movements until eventually the train hits a piece of tremor-damaged track and has a nasty accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely such a long distance high speed track will be damaged over time by tectonic movements until eventually the train hits a piece of tremor-damaged track and has a nasty accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/15/californias-220-mph-high-speed-train-will-be-emissions-free/#comment-19540</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 16:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely such a long distance high speed track will be damaged over time by tectonic movements until eventually the train hits a piece of tremor-damaged track and has a nasty accident.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely such a long distance high speed track will be damaged over time by tectonic movements until eventually the train hits a piece of tremor-damaged track and has a nasty accident.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/15/californias-220-mph-high-speed-train-will-be-emissions-free/#comment-2477</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China builds their lines in a couple of years.



High-speed rail is probably the safest form of transportation. The tracks are not shared with freight trains.



Check out my blog entry on HSR

http://everyoneforever.org/blogger/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China builds their lines in a couple of years.</p>
<p>High-speed rail is probably the safest form of transportation. The tracks are not shared with freight trains.</p>
<p>Check out my blog entry on HSR</p>
<p><a href="http://everyoneforever.org/blogger/" rel="nofollow">http://everyoneforever.org/blogger/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/15/californias-220-mph-high-speed-train-will-be-emissions-free/#comment-19539</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 10:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>China builds their lines in a couple of years.



High-speed rail is probably the safest form of transportation. The tracks are not shared with freight trains.



Check out my blog entry on HSR

http://everyoneforever.org/blogger/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>China builds their lines in a couple of years.</p>
<p>High-speed rail is probably the safest form of transportation. The tracks are not shared with freight trains.</p>
<p>Check out my blog entry on HSR</p>
<p><a href="http://everyoneforever.org/blogger/" rel="nofollow">http://everyoneforever.org/blogger/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/15/californias-220-mph-high-speed-train-will-be-emissions-free/#comment-2476</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in France. Showing a fellow American the TGV is like passing out Polaroids in a jungle village, yet this technology has been around for years. So have diesel cars. We&#039;ve let our leadership, in cohoots with our corporations, screw us. I hope that in the future we will learn to demand a more reasonable society and to appreciate the good ideas other people have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in France. Showing a fellow American the TGV is like passing out Polaroids in a jungle village, yet this technology has been around for years. So have diesel cars. We&#8217;ve let our leadership, in cohoots with our corporations, screw us. I hope that in the future we will learn to demand a more reasonable society and to appreciate the good ideas other people have.</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/15/californias-220-mph-high-speed-train-will-be-emissions-free/#comment-19538</link>
		<dc:creator>Gene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 18:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in France. Showing a fellow American the TGV is like passing out Polaroids in a jungle village, yet this technology has been around for years. So have diesel cars. We&#039;ve let our leadership, in cohoots with our corporations, screw us. I hope that in the future we will learn to demand a more reasonable society and to appreciate the good ideas other people have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in France. Showing a fellow American the TGV is like passing out Polaroids in a jungle village, yet this technology has been around for years. So have diesel cars. We&#8217;ve let our leadership, in cohoots with our corporations, screw us. I hope that in the future we will learn to demand a more reasonable society and to appreciate the good ideas other people have.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/15/californias-220-mph-high-speed-train-will-be-emissions-free/#comment-2475</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Joel



Of course trains are a easy targets. Look at the terrorist attacs in madrid or london. you can carry a bomb on any train in europe, and nobody can do anthing against it. there are many other places in modern society where large groups of people assemble.

for excample sport-stadiums, cinema, etc.



but the main reason for those insane security chechpoints in airports, is fear of flight. the largest end densest group of people (best target for terrorists) at an airport are the people waiting in line in front of the security check point.



you cant prevent terrorist attacks with security check points, without turning your country in a police state.



a better solution: work on the causes of terrorism. terrorism has three main causes: hate, fear of loss of cultural identity and poverty. by killing people in the middle east, occupying regions of the middle east and destroiing infrastructure and private property, the usa is doing everything necessary for increasing the terrorist problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Joel</p>
<p>Of course trains are a easy targets. Look at the terrorist attacs in madrid or london. you can carry a bomb on any train in europe, and nobody can do anthing against it. there are many other places in modern society where large groups of people assemble.</p>
<p>for excample sport-stadiums, cinema, etc.</p>
<p>but the main reason for those insane security chechpoints in airports, is fear of flight. the largest end densest group of people (best target for terrorists) at an airport are the people waiting in line in front of the security check point.</p>
<p>you cant prevent terrorist attacks with security check points, without turning your country in a police state.</p>
<p>a better solution: work on the causes of terrorism. terrorism has three main causes: hate, fear of loss of cultural identity and poverty. by killing people in the middle east, occupying regions of the middle east and destroiing infrastructure and private property, the usa is doing everything necessary for increasing the terrorist problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/15/californias-220-mph-high-speed-train-will-be-emissions-free/#comment-19537</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;Joel



Of course trains are a easy targets. Look at the terrorist attacs in madrid or london. you can carry a bomb on any train in europe, and nobody can do anthing against it. there are many other places in modern society where large groups of people assemble.

for excample sport-stadiums, cinema, etc.



but the main reason for those insane security chechpoints in airports, is fear of flight. the largest end densest group of people (best target for terrorists) at an airport are the people waiting in line in front of the security check point.



you cant prevent terrorist attacks with security check points, without turning your country in a police state.



a better solution: work on the causes of terrorism. terrorism has three main causes: hate, fear of loss of cultural identity and poverty. by killing people in the middle east, occupying regions of the middle east and destroiing infrastructure and private property, the usa is doing everything necessary for increasing the terrorist problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;Joel</p>
<p>Of course trains are a easy targets. Look at the terrorist attacs in madrid or london. you can carry a bomb on any train in europe, and nobody can do anthing against it. there are many other places in modern society where large groups of people assemble.</p>
<p>for excample sport-stadiums, cinema, etc.</p>
<p>but the main reason for those insane security chechpoints in airports, is fear of flight. the largest end densest group of people (best target for terrorists) at an airport are the people waiting in line in front of the security check point.</p>
<p>you cant prevent terrorist attacks with security check points, without turning your country in a police state.</p>
<p>a better solution: work on the causes of terrorism. terrorism has three main causes: hate, fear of loss of cultural identity and poverty. by killing people in the middle east, occupying regions of the middle east and destroiing infrastructure and private property, the usa is doing everything necessary for increasing the terrorist problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Moe</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/09/15/californias-220-mph-high-speed-train-will-be-emissions-free/#comment-2474</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 10:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>total bs.

trains use large amounts of energy, especially bullet trains.

We have lots of those in germany, and the FAZ published a article about the averange carbon foot print of cars, trains and planes in germany. The carbon foot print of trains (equivalent to gas usage)is between 4 and 8 liters/100km (58.8 - 39.2 mpg)per passenger. while planes use 3 - 4 l/100km (78.4 - 58.8 mpg) per passenger. In cars the user can choose himself which kind of car he drives an how many passengers will be on bord, so the carbon footprint can vary. However, if two people ride in one modern car ( &gt;39 mpg), it is the most efficient means of transportation.

If California produces 5% of its electricity with renewable methods, then only 5% of the electricity which is consumed by the train will be &quot;green&quot; and not 100%! trains are very heavy (1.5 metric tons per passenger if all seats are taken -&gt; averange of 2.8 t per passenger) , they produce lots of friction with their wheels and, beeing close to the ground, they experience alot more aerodynamic resistance than planes flying at 11km above ground.



in conclusion: trains are not quite as good as their reputation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>total bs.</p>
<p>trains use large amounts of energy, especially bullet trains.</p>
<p>We have lots of those in germany, and the FAZ published a article about the averange carbon foot print of cars, trains and planes in germany. The carbon foot print of trains (equivalent to gas usage)is between 4 and 8 liters/100km (58.8 &#8211; 39.2 mpg)per passenger. while planes use 3 &#8211; 4 l/100km (78.4 &#8211; 58.8 mpg) per passenger. In cars the user can choose himself which kind of car he drives an how many passengers will be on bord, so the carbon footprint can vary. However, if two people ride in one modern car ( &gt;39 mpg), it is the most efficient means of transportation.</p>
<p>If California produces 5% of its electricity with renewable methods, then only 5% of the electricity which is consumed by the train will be &#8220;green&#8221; and not 100%! trains are very heavy (1.5 metric tons per passenger if all seats are taken -&gt; averange of 2.8 t per passenger) , they produce lots of friction with their wheels and, beeing close to the ground, they experience alot more aerodynamic resistance than planes flying at 11km above ground.</p>
<p>in conclusion: trains are not quite as good as their reputation.</p>
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