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	<title>Comments on: The Imaginary Case Against the Wind Turbine</title>
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		<title>By: Charlie Porter</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-2137</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr.Hill,Calling Mr.Yancey, &quot;petty&quot; is just plain unfair.I know first hand exactly what he&#039;s talking about. Myself, my wife and our daughter are currently living under 27 Giant Wind Turbines.They have ruined our lives, the equity on our farm that we worked very hard to pay for over the last 15 years, and they are working on destroying our health.

  You CAN NOT call yourself an unbiased reporter, as you DO NOT live under the devastation caused by these Giant Wind Monsters. You should be ashamed of yourself to judge all the people that have been effected by the greed and thougtlessness of Wind Monster companies.

  In addition, the wind is not free, nor reliable.Add up the fabrication costs, shipping costs,land rental costs,erection costs, maintenance costs, etc., and compare that to the projected 25 year life span of Wind Monsters, and you&#039;ll find that they NEVER get into the Black.If it wasn&#039;t for mine and your tax dollars being carelessly thrown at Wind Monsters, they wouldn&#039;t even start to be viable.They do more harm to the environment than they create.Much like eating celery has negative calories.It takes more carbons being released and more fuel/money spent to build a Wind Monster farm, ( Tax farm), than they produce.

  It&#039;s people like you that put blinders on and listen to whats popular.

  Listening to a recording on You Tube, and doing a news story on it is VERY irresponsible.Can you smell a flower on You Tube ? NO ! Can you experience night after night of not sleeping by listening to You Tube ? NO ! Can you feel the burn of a matchstick on You Tube ? No ! Can you feel the pressure build in your head listening to You Tube ? NO ! Can you experince the devastation that comes with being forced to live under Wind Monsters by sitting at your computer listening to You Tube ? No !  NO,NO,NO !!!

 Do you actually think that the hundreds of people, ( and growing), all over the world, with the same nightmare story, the same health issues, the same loss in equity, the same shadows over their homes, are all either lying or simply just wrong, and you, sitting at your comfortable desk listening to You Tube is the one that knows the REAl story ?

  It&#039;s just my humble opinion, but I THINK that if can&#039;t do more research, and do your stories more responsibly, that you shoulkd limit your reporting to the local high school football scores and whats on sale this week at the local grocery store !

  If you want to call a man like Mr.Yancey,concerned about his family, his land,his health, his sanity,and his peace and quiet, &quot;petty&quot;, I think you need to go look in the mirror and reevaluate !

  Again,just my humble, but WELL INFORMED, WELL RESEARCHED, opinion !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr.Hill,Calling Mr.Yancey, &#8220;petty&#8221; is just plain unfair.I know first hand exactly what he&#8217;s talking about. Myself, my wife and our daughter are currently living under 27 Giant Wind Turbines.They have ruined our lives, the equity on our farm that we worked very hard to pay for over the last 15 years, and they are working on destroying our health.</p>
<p>  You CAN NOT call yourself an unbiased reporter, as you DO NOT live under the devastation caused by these Giant Wind Monsters. You should be ashamed of yourself to judge all the people that have been effected by the greed and thougtlessness of Wind Monster companies.</p>
<p>  In addition, the wind is not free, nor reliable.Add up the fabrication costs, shipping costs,land rental costs,erection costs, maintenance costs, etc., and compare that to the projected 25 year life span of Wind Monsters, and you&#8217;ll find that they NEVER get into the Black.If it wasn&#8217;t for mine and your tax dollars being carelessly thrown at Wind Monsters, they wouldn&#8217;t even start to be viable.They do more harm to the environment than they create.Much like eating celery has negative calories.It takes more carbons being released and more fuel/money spent to build a Wind Monster farm, ( Tax farm), than they produce.</p>
<p>  It&#8217;s people like you that put blinders on and listen to whats popular.</p>
<p>  Listening to a recording on You Tube, and doing a news story on it is VERY irresponsible.Can you smell a flower on You Tube ? NO ! Can you experience night after night of not sleeping by listening to You Tube ? NO ! Can you feel the burn of a matchstick on You Tube ? No ! Can you feel the pressure build in your head listening to You Tube ? NO ! Can you experince the devastation that comes with being forced to live under Wind Monsters by sitting at your computer listening to You Tube ? No !  NO,NO,NO !!!</p>
<p> Do you actually think that the hundreds of people, ( and growing), all over the world, with the same nightmare story, the same health issues, the same loss in equity, the same shadows over their homes, are all either lying or simply just wrong, and you, sitting at your comfortable desk listening to You Tube is the one that knows the REAl story ?</p>
<p>  It&#8217;s just my humble opinion, but I THINK that if can&#8217;t do more research, and do your stories more responsibly, that you shoulkd limit your reporting to the local high school football scores and whats on sale this week at the local grocery store !</p>
<p>  If you want to call a man like Mr.Yancey,concerned about his family, his land,his health, his sanity,and his peace and quiet, &#8220;petty&#8221;, I think you need to go look in the mirror and reevaluate !</p>
<p>  Again,just my humble, but WELL INFORMED, WELL RESEARCHED, opinion !</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie Porter</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-18935</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr.Hill,Calling Mr.Yancey, &quot;petty&quot; is just plain unfair.I know first hand exactly what he&#039;s talking about. Myself, my wife and our daughter are currently living under 27 Giant Wind Turbines.They have ruined our lives, the equity on our farm that we worked very hard to pay for over the last 15 years, and they are working on destroying our health.

  You CAN NOT call yourself an unbiased reporter, as you DO NOT live under the devastation caused by these Giant Wind Monsters. You should be ashamed of yourself to judge all the people that have been effected by the greed and thougtlessness of Wind Monster companies.

  In addition, the wind is not free, nor reliable.Add up the fabrication costs, shipping costs,land rental costs,erection costs, maintenance costs, etc., and compare that to the projected 25 year life span of Wind Monsters, and you&#039;ll find that they NEVER get into the Black.If it wasn&#039;t for mine and your tax dollars being carelessly thrown at Wind Monsters, they wouldn&#039;t even start to be viable.They do more harm to the environment than they create.Much like eating celery has negative calories.It takes more carbons being released and more fuel/money spent to build a Wind Monster farm, ( Tax farm), than they produce.

  It&#039;s people like you that put blinders on and listen to whats popular.

  Listening to a recording on You Tube, and doing a news story on it is VERY irresponsible.Can you smell a flower on You Tube ? NO ! Can you experience night after night of not sleeping by listening to You Tube ? NO ! Can you feel the burn of a matchstick on You Tube ? No ! Can you feel the pressure build in your head listening to You Tube ? NO ! Can you experince the devastation that comes with being forced to live under Wind Monsters by sitting at your computer listening to You Tube ? No !  NO,NO,NO !!!

 Do you actually think that the hundreds of people, ( and growing), all over the world, with the same nightmare story, the same health issues, the same loss in equity, the same shadows over their homes, are all either lying or simply just wrong, and you, sitting at your comfortable desk listening to You Tube is the one that knows the REAl story ?

  It&#039;s just my humble opinion, but I THINK that if can&#039;t do more research, and do your stories more responsibly, that you shoulkd limit your reporting to the local high school football scores and whats on sale this week at the local grocery store !

  If you want to call a man like Mr.Yancey,concerned about his family, his land,his health, his sanity,and his peace and quiet, &quot;petty&quot;, I think you need to go look in the mirror and reevaluate !

  Again,just my humble, but WELL INFORMED, WELL RESEARCHED, opinion !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr.Hill,Calling Mr.Yancey, &#8220;petty&#8221; is just plain unfair.I know first hand exactly what he&#8217;s talking about. Myself, my wife and our daughter are currently living under 27 Giant Wind Turbines.They have ruined our lives, the equity on our farm that we worked very hard to pay for over the last 15 years, and they are working on destroying our health.</p>
<p>  You CAN NOT call yourself an unbiased reporter, as you DO NOT live under the devastation caused by these Giant Wind Monsters. You should be ashamed of yourself to judge all the people that have been effected by the greed and thougtlessness of Wind Monster companies.</p>
<p>  In addition, the wind is not free, nor reliable.Add up the fabrication costs, shipping costs,land rental costs,erection costs, maintenance costs, etc., and compare that to the projected 25 year life span of Wind Monsters, and you&#8217;ll find that they NEVER get into the Black.If it wasn&#8217;t for mine and your tax dollars being carelessly thrown at Wind Monsters, they wouldn&#8217;t even start to be viable.They do more harm to the environment than they create.Much like eating celery has negative calories.It takes more carbons being released and more fuel/money spent to build a Wind Monster farm, ( Tax farm), than they produce.</p>
<p>  It&#8217;s people like you that put blinders on and listen to whats popular.</p>
<p>  Listening to a recording on You Tube, and doing a news story on it is VERY irresponsible.Can you smell a flower on You Tube ? NO ! Can you experience night after night of not sleeping by listening to You Tube ? NO ! Can you feel the burn of a matchstick on You Tube ? No ! Can you feel the pressure build in your head listening to You Tube ? NO ! Can you experince the devastation that comes with being forced to live under Wind Monsters by sitting at your computer listening to You Tube ? No !  NO,NO,NO !!!</p>
<p> Do you actually think that the hundreds of people, ( and growing), all over the world, with the same nightmare story, the same health issues, the same loss in equity, the same shadows over their homes, are all either lying or simply just wrong, and you, sitting at your comfortable desk listening to You Tube is the one that knows the REAl story ?</p>
<p>  It&#8217;s just my humble opinion, but I THINK that if can&#8217;t do more research, and do your stories more responsibly, that you shoulkd limit your reporting to the local high school football scores and whats on sale this week at the local grocery store !</p>
<p>  If you want to call a man like Mr.Yancey,concerned about his family, his land,his health, his sanity,and his peace and quiet, &#8220;petty&#8221;, I think you need to go look in the mirror and reevaluate !</p>
<p>  Again,just my humble, but WELL INFORMED, WELL RESEARCHED, opinion !</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-2136</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talking about a natural fit.



Magic trees,



We at Solar Botanic are mimicking nature, creating natural looking artificial trees and plants, fitted with Nanoleaves, the leaves are a combination of nano technologies that enable the leaf to convert solar radiation (light &amp; heat) into electricity, furthermore the leaf petiole or the stem, and twigs comprise nano-piezovoltaic material – these tiny generators react to movement caused by wind or from falling rain drops and start to produce electricity, this synergy of technology with natures design will soon become a reality.



Renewable energy that combines solar radiation and wind energy in one system and offers added value to the end users and above all, is in harmony with nature.



The reason is simple. Nature, through billions of years of trial and error, has produced effective solutions to innumerable complex real-world problems.



There is no need to fill our landscapes with wind turbines and other systems that impact our environment. The field of biomimetics is the application of methods and systems, found in nature. To capitalize on the wealth of designs and processes found in nature, engineering and technology has given solar Botanics the tools to harvest the energy resources in a responsible way.



* Triple conversion of green energies (Light, Heat and Wind)

* Aesthetic in harmony with Nature

* Partly made from recycled waste materials

* Can be placed in and around cities or residential areas

* Durable, easy to install, provides shade, cools the air, gives wind protection

* Recharges your car, takes the CO2 out the air, and much more.



Solar Botanic trees and plants will bring a variety of species to the market, so that every environment can choose something that fit its natural habitat. Trees can be implemented in cities and rural areas, places of natural beauty and island resorts that depend on tourism.



The project is currently underway with help from Investment funds from the Middle East were the first solar botanic palm tree will be planted. This palm tree with its 36 leaves will generate more than 5000 kWh per year. The location and amount of sun hours per year makes this palm tree a very cheap energy provider at less than $ 0, 3 per kWh.



The added value of solar botanic trees are; providing shade, cooling the air, wind break, crop protection, prevention of heat islands in cities, road glare, noise barrier, protection of dune vegetation. Solar botanic trees can be fitted with additional equipment to filter the air, (taking out CO2) and water. Water management can be controlled by trees.



Trees and shrubs can be planted most of the time without permission because they fit in with our local scenery. Trees, plants and shrubs have aesthetical function the enhance our city and meeting places, or are just there to give us a nice view when we look out of our window. Trees decrease our visual awareness if it comes to visual or noise pollution. The psychology effect of trees takes care of a better micro climate, extreme temperatures are reduced and absorb, trees and shrubs give protection against wind, and sun. Trees are a source of inspiration for artistic creativity. Trees carry a culture of history they can show the history of a place and are often proof of past history. Trees are a symbol growth and energy, trees have a economic value. The presence of trees often increases the value of property, especially mature trees that at the same time deliver more energy.



for more info, just drop us a line



regards



Alex van der Beek



Riga Latvia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about a natural fit.</p>
<p>Magic trees,</p>
<p>We at Solar Botanic are mimicking nature, creating natural looking artificial trees and plants, fitted with Nanoleaves, the leaves are a combination of nano technologies that enable the leaf to convert solar radiation (light &amp; heat) into electricity, furthermore the leaf petiole or the stem, and twigs comprise nano-piezovoltaic material – these tiny generators react to movement caused by wind or from falling rain drops and start to produce electricity, this synergy of technology with natures design will soon become a reality.</p>
<p>Renewable energy that combines solar radiation and wind energy in one system and offers added value to the end users and above all, is in harmony with nature.</p>
<p>The reason is simple. Nature, through billions of years of trial and error, has produced effective solutions to innumerable complex real-world problems.</p>
<p>There is no need to fill our landscapes with wind turbines and other systems that impact our environment. The field of biomimetics is the application of methods and systems, found in nature. To capitalize on the wealth of designs and processes found in nature, engineering and technology has given solar Botanics the tools to harvest the energy resources in a responsible way.</p>
<p>* Triple conversion of green energies (Light, Heat and Wind)</p>
<p>* Aesthetic in harmony with Nature</p>
<p>* Partly made from recycled waste materials</p>
<p>* Can be placed in and around cities or residential areas</p>
<p>* Durable, easy to install, provides shade, cools the air, gives wind protection</p>
<p>* Recharges your car, takes the CO2 out the air, and much more.</p>
<p>Solar Botanic trees and plants will bring a variety of species to the market, so that every environment can choose something that fit its natural habitat. Trees can be implemented in cities and rural areas, places of natural beauty and island resorts that depend on tourism.</p>
<p>The project is currently underway with help from Investment funds from the Middle East were the first solar botanic palm tree will be planted. This palm tree with its 36 leaves will generate more than 5000 kWh per year. The location and amount of sun hours per year makes this palm tree a very cheap energy provider at less than $ 0, 3 per kWh.</p>
<p>The added value of solar botanic trees are; providing shade, cooling the air, wind break, crop protection, prevention of heat islands in cities, road glare, noise barrier, protection of dune vegetation. Solar botanic trees can be fitted with additional equipment to filter the air, (taking out CO2) and water. Water management can be controlled by trees.</p>
<p>Trees and shrubs can be planted most of the time without permission because they fit in with our local scenery. Trees, plants and shrubs have aesthetical function the enhance our city and meeting places, or are just there to give us a nice view when we look out of our window. Trees decrease our visual awareness if it comes to visual or noise pollution. The psychology effect of trees takes care of a better micro climate, extreme temperatures are reduced and absorb, trees and shrubs give protection against wind, and sun. Trees are a source of inspiration for artistic creativity. Trees carry a culture of history they can show the history of a place and are often proof of past history. Trees are a symbol growth and energy, trees have a economic value. The presence of trees often increases the value of property, especially mature trees that at the same time deliver more energy.</p>
<p>for more info, just drop us a line</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>Alex van der Beek</p>
<p>Riga Latvia</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-18934</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-18934</guid>
		<description>Talking about a natural fit.



Magic trees,



We at Solar Botanic are mimicking nature, creating natural looking artificial trees and plants, fitted with Nanoleaves, the leaves are a combination of nano technologies that enable the leaf to convert solar radiation (light &amp; heat) into electricity, furthermore the leaf petiole or the stem, and twigs comprise nano-piezovoltaic material – these tiny generators react to movement caused by wind or from falling rain drops and start to produce electricity, this synergy of technology with natures design will soon become a reality.



Renewable energy that combines solar radiation and wind energy in one system and offers added value to the end users and above all, is in harmony with nature.



The reason is simple. Nature, through billions of years of trial and error, has produced effective solutions to innumerable complex real-world problems.



There is no need to fill our landscapes with wind turbines and other systems that impact our environment. The field of biomimetics is the application of methods and systems, found in nature. To capitalize on the wealth of designs and processes found in nature, engineering and technology has given solar Botanics the tools to harvest the energy resources in a responsible way.



* Triple conversion of green energies (Light, Heat and Wind)

* Aesthetic in harmony with Nature

* Partly made from recycled waste materials

* Can be placed in and around cities or residential areas

* Durable, easy to install, provides shade, cools the air, gives wind protection

* Recharges your car, takes the CO2 out the air, and much more.



Solar Botanic trees and plants will bring a variety of species to the market, so that every environment can choose something that fit its natural habitat. Trees can be implemented in cities and rural areas, places of natural beauty and island resorts that depend on tourism.



The project is currently underway with help from Investment funds from the Middle East were the first solar botanic palm tree will be planted. This palm tree with its 36 leaves will generate more than 5000 kWh per year. The location and amount of sun hours per year makes this palm tree a very cheap energy provider at less than $ 0, 3 per kWh.



The added value of solar botanic trees are; providing shade, cooling the air, wind break, crop protection, prevention of heat islands in cities, road glare, noise barrier, protection of dune vegetation. Solar botanic trees can be fitted with additional equipment to filter the air, (taking out CO2) and water. Water management can be controlled by trees.



Trees and shrubs can be planted most of the time without permission because they fit in with our local scenery. Trees, plants and shrubs have aesthetical function the enhance our city and meeting places, or are just there to give us a nice view when we look out of our window. Trees decrease our visual awareness if it comes to visual or noise pollution. The psychology effect of trees takes care of a better micro climate, extreme temperatures are reduced and absorb, trees and shrubs give protection against wind, and sun. Trees are a source of inspiration for artistic creativity. Trees carry a culture of history they can show the history of a place and are often proof of past history. Trees are a symbol growth and energy, trees have a economic value. The presence of trees often increases the value of property, especially mature trees that at the same time deliver more energy.



for more info, just drop us a line



regards



Alex van der Beek



Riga Latvia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about a natural fit.</p>
<p>Magic trees,</p>
<p>We at Solar Botanic are mimicking nature, creating natural looking artificial trees and plants, fitted with Nanoleaves, the leaves are a combination of nano technologies that enable the leaf to convert solar radiation (light &amp; heat) into electricity, furthermore the leaf petiole or the stem, and twigs comprise nano-piezovoltaic material – these tiny generators react to movement caused by wind or from falling rain drops and start to produce electricity, this synergy of technology with natures design will soon become a reality.</p>
<p>Renewable energy that combines solar radiation and wind energy in one system and offers added value to the end users and above all, is in harmony with nature.</p>
<p>The reason is simple. Nature, through billions of years of trial and error, has produced effective solutions to innumerable complex real-world problems.</p>
<p>There is no need to fill our landscapes with wind turbines and other systems that impact our environment. The field of biomimetics is the application of methods and systems, found in nature. To capitalize on the wealth of designs and processes found in nature, engineering and technology has given solar Botanics the tools to harvest the energy resources in a responsible way.</p>
<p>* Triple conversion of green energies (Light, Heat and Wind)</p>
<p>* Aesthetic in harmony with Nature</p>
<p>* Partly made from recycled waste materials</p>
<p>* Can be placed in and around cities or residential areas</p>
<p>* Durable, easy to install, provides shade, cools the air, gives wind protection</p>
<p>* Recharges your car, takes the CO2 out the air, and much more.</p>
<p>Solar Botanic trees and plants will bring a variety of species to the market, so that every environment can choose something that fit its natural habitat. Trees can be implemented in cities and rural areas, places of natural beauty and island resorts that depend on tourism.</p>
<p>The project is currently underway with help from Investment funds from the Middle East were the first solar botanic palm tree will be planted. This palm tree with its 36 leaves will generate more than 5000 kWh per year. The location and amount of sun hours per year makes this palm tree a very cheap energy provider at less than $ 0, 3 per kWh.</p>
<p>The added value of solar botanic trees are; providing shade, cooling the air, wind break, crop protection, prevention of heat islands in cities, road glare, noise barrier, protection of dune vegetation. Solar botanic trees can be fitted with additional equipment to filter the air, (taking out CO2) and water. Water management can be controlled by trees.</p>
<p>Trees and shrubs can be planted most of the time without permission because they fit in with our local scenery. Trees, plants and shrubs have aesthetical function the enhance our city and meeting places, or are just there to give us a nice view when we look out of our window. Trees decrease our visual awareness if it comes to visual or noise pollution. The psychology effect of trees takes care of a better micro climate, extreme temperatures are reduced and absorb, trees and shrubs give protection against wind, and sun. Trees are a source of inspiration for artistic creativity. Trees carry a culture of history they can show the history of a place and are often proof of past history. Trees are a symbol growth and energy, trees have a economic value. The presence of trees often increases the value of property, especially mature trees that at the same time deliver more energy.</p>
<p>for more info, just drop us a line</p>
<p>regards</p>
<p>Alex van der Beek</p>
<p>Riga Latvia</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-2135</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-2135</guid>
		<description>While I have never lived near a wind turbine,  I used to drive by a small test site used by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory.  They had several small turbines and three large ones(over 250&#039; tall).  When the three large ones were operating, I could hear them from my car while driving on a road about 1/4 of a mile away.  If I had to listen to that rhythmic whoosh all the time I would have an issue with it.  The other aspect is that you chose to live near a main thoroughfare.  Mr. Yancey and many like him did not choose to live by the turbines, they were put there by an outside company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I have never lived near a wind turbine,  I used to drive by a small test site used by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory.  They had several small turbines and three large ones(over 250&#8242; tall).  When the three large ones were operating, I could hear them from my car while driving on a road about 1/4 of a mile away.  If I had to listen to that rhythmic whoosh all the time I would have an issue with it.  The other aspect is that you chose to live near a main thoroughfare.  Mr. Yancey and many like him did not choose to live by the turbines, they were put there by an outside company.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-18933</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-18933</guid>
		<description>While I have never lived near a wind turbine,  I used to drive by a small test site used by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory.  They had several small turbines and three large ones(over 250&#039; tall).  When the three large ones were operating, I could hear them from my car while driving on a road about 1/4 of a mile away.  If I had to listen to that rhythmic whoosh all the time I would have an issue with it.  The other aspect is that you chose to live near a main thoroughfare.  Mr. Yancey and many like him did not choose to live by the turbines, they were put there by an outside company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I have never lived near a wind turbine,  I used to drive by a small test site used by the National Renewable Energy Laboratory.  They had several small turbines and three large ones(over 250&#8242; tall).  When the three large ones were operating, I could hear them from my car while driving on a road about 1/4 of a mile away.  If I had to listen to that rhythmic whoosh all the time I would have an issue with it.  The other aspect is that you chose to live near a main thoroughfare.  Mr. Yancey and many like him did not choose to live by the turbines, they were put there by an outside company.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie/Upstate NY</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-2134</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie/Upstate NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Midwest - if stray voltage is not an issue, why would the Chapman family in MO get a $2 MILLION judgement?

www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_296153209.html



There are plenty of other cases pending for stray voltage.  If the existing infrastructure cannot handle what the turbines will produce, or new underground systems are not properly installed, there will be more instances of farmers having to depend on those checks from the wind companies to replace $$ lost through stray voltage issues.



We had a young Mennonite neighbor get crushed to death by a heifer that panicked when she got zapped in the barn - stray voltage from the nearby electric co. power station at the corner of their farm was determined to be the cause. There will be many more incidents should the turbines be allowed in populated areas.



Oops - is that your phone ringing, Midwest?  It&#039;s the real estate agent saying thank GOD we are finally selling a property that gets shadow flicker, hears the hum of the turbines 24/7. Nice of you to take up my challenge to live amongst these monstrosities...



Yes, times change.  But must we give up our quality of life in rural areas for the urban drain on electricity? I like Mayor Bloomberg&#039;s idea of putting turbines on top of the buildings in NYC.  However, we can&#039;t offend the city dwellers whose penthouse views will be altered, so that idea will come to fruition when pigs fly.



We fought hard to have a tough yet fair law in our town for wind energy. Yes, they can be sited in our town, but at distances that would not intrude on our daily lives.  We have a setback of 2000 ft from property lines, not 500 ft from HOUSES  like some towns. Clear thinking and consideration of any negative impacts are the key to proper placement of wind energy conversion systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Midwest &#8211; if stray voltage is not an issue, why would the Chapman family in MO get a $2 MILLION judgement?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_296153209.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_296153209.html</a></p>
<p>There are plenty of other cases pending for stray voltage.  If the existing infrastructure cannot handle what the turbines will produce, or new underground systems are not properly installed, there will be more instances of farmers having to depend on those checks from the wind companies to replace $$ lost through stray voltage issues.</p>
<p>We had a young Mennonite neighbor get crushed to death by a heifer that panicked when she got zapped in the barn &#8211; stray voltage from the nearby electric co. power station at the corner of their farm was determined to be the cause. There will be many more incidents should the turbines be allowed in populated areas.</p>
<p>Oops &#8211; is that your phone ringing, Midwest?  It&#8217;s the real estate agent saying thank GOD we are finally selling a property that gets shadow flicker, hears the hum of the turbines 24/7. Nice of you to take up my challenge to live amongst these monstrosities&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes, times change.  But must we give up our quality of life in rural areas for the urban drain on electricity? I like Mayor Bloomberg&#8217;s idea of putting turbines on top of the buildings in NYC.  However, we can&#8217;t offend the city dwellers whose penthouse views will be altered, so that idea will come to fruition when pigs fly.</p>
<p>We fought hard to have a tough yet fair law in our town for wind energy. Yes, they can be sited in our town, but at distances that would not intrude on our daily lives.  We have a setback of 2000 ft from property lines, not 500 ft from HOUSES  like some towns. Clear thinking and consideration of any negative impacts are the key to proper placement of wind energy conversion systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie/Upstate NY</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-18932</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie/Upstate NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 12:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-18932</guid>
		<description>Hey Midwest - if stray voltage is not an issue, why would the Chapman family in MO get a $2 MILLION judgement?

www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_296153209.html



There are plenty of other cases pending for stray voltage.  If the existing infrastructure cannot handle what the turbines will produce, or new underground systems are not properly installed, there will be more instances of farmers having to depend on those checks from the wind companies to replace $$ lost through stray voltage issues.



We had a young Mennonite neighbor get crushed to death by a heifer that panicked when she got zapped in the barn - stray voltage from the nearby electric co. power station at the corner of their farm was determined to be the cause. There will be many more incidents should the turbines be allowed in populated areas.



Oops - is that your phone ringing, Midwest?  It&#039;s the real estate agent saying thank GOD we are finally selling a property that gets shadow flicker, hears the hum of the turbines 24/7. Nice of you to take up my challenge to live amongst these monstrosities...



Yes, times change.  But must we give up our quality of life in rural areas for the urban drain on electricity? I like Mayor Bloomberg&#039;s idea of putting turbines on top of the buildings in NYC.  However, we can&#039;t offend the city dwellers whose penthouse views will be altered, so that idea will come to fruition when pigs fly.



We fought hard to have a tough yet fair law in our town for wind energy. Yes, they can be sited in our town, but at distances that would not intrude on our daily lives.  We have a setback of 2000 ft from property lines, not 500 ft from HOUSES  like some towns. Clear thinking and consideration of any negative impacts are the key to proper placement of wind energy conversion systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Midwest &#8211; if stray voltage is not an issue, why would the Chapman family in MO get a $2 MILLION judgement?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_296153209.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.joplinglobe.com/local/local_story_296153209.html</a></p>
<p>There are plenty of other cases pending for stray voltage.  If the existing infrastructure cannot handle what the turbines will produce, or new underground systems are not properly installed, there will be more instances of farmers having to depend on those checks from the wind companies to replace $$ lost through stray voltage issues.</p>
<p>We had a young Mennonite neighbor get crushed to death by a heifer that panicked when she got zapped in the barn &#8211; stray voltage from the nearby electric co. power station at the corner of their farm was determined to be the cause. There will be many more incidents should the turbines be allowed in populated areas.</p>
<p>Oops &#8211; is that your phone ringing, Midwest?  It&#8217;s the real estate agent saying thank GOD we are finally selling a property that gets shadow flicker, hears the hum of the turbines 24/7. Nice of you to take up my challenge to live amongst these monstrosities&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes, times change.  But must we give up our quality of life in rural areas for the urban drain on electricity? I like Mayor Bloomberg&#8217;s idea of putting turbines on top of the buildings in NYC.  However, we can&#8217;t offend the city dwellers whose penthouse views will be altered, so that idea will come to fruition when pigs fly.</p>
<p>We fought hard to have a tough yet fair law in our town for wind energy. Yes, they can be sited in our town, but at distances that would not intrude on our daily lives.  We have a setback of 2000 ft from property lines, not 500 ft from HOUSES  like some towns. Clear thinking and consideration of any negative impacts are the key to proper placement of wind energy conversion systems.</p>
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		<title>By: Midwest</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-2133</link>
		<dc:creator>Midwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue Sliwinski wrote that

&quot;we don’t have 20-30 years or more to be sidelined by the folly of commercial wind power. Its massive machines and intrusive development won’t stabilize soaring energy costs or cool a warming planet.&quot;



Yes, wind turbines will not solve this problem alone.

Don&#039;t blame the good deeds for not (yet) being able to outweigh the bad.





As regarding Debbie&#039;s post about &quot;doing homework&quot; on stray voltage;

&quot;Even when a low level electric current was directly applied to cows, theoretically producing small internal electric fields, no ill effects were discerned.&quot; --wikipedia.org



Here are lots of other studies, with pretty much the same results;

http://www.uwex.edu/uwmril/stray_voltage/animal_response.htm

http://www.mrec.org/sv-info.html



Times change.

Change with them or hook up with the Amish. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue Sliwinski wrote that</p>
<p>&#8220;we don’t have 20-30 years or more to be sidelined by the folly of commercial wind power. Its massive machines and intrusive development won’t stabilize soaring energy costs or cool a warming planet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, wind turbines will not solve this problem alone.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t blame the good deeds for not (yet) being able to outweigh the bad.</p>
<p>As regarding Debbie&#8217;s post about &#8220;doing homework&#8221; on stray voltage;</p>
<p>&#8220;Even when a low level electric current was directly applied to cows, theoretically producing small internal electric fields, no ill effects were discerned.&#8221; &#8211;wikipedia.org</p>
<p>Here are lots of other studies, with pretty much the same results;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uwex.edu/uwmril/stray_voltage/animal_response.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.uwex.edu/uwmril/stray_voltage/animal_response.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mrec.org/sv-info.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mrec.org/sv-info.html</a></p>
<p>Times change.</p>
<p>Change with them or hook up with the Amish. <img src='http://c1cleantechnicacom.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Midwest</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-18931</link>
		<dc:creator>Midwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-18931</guid>
		<description>Sue Sliwinski wrote that

&quot;we don’t have 20-30 years or more to be sidelined by the folly of commercial wind power. Its massive machines and intrusive development won’t stabilize soaring energy costs or cool a warming planet.&quot;



Yes, wind turbines will not solve this problem alone.

Don&#039;t blame the good deeds for not (yet) being able to outweigh the bad.





As regarding Debbie&#039;s post about &quot;doing homework&quot; on stray voltage;

&quot;Even when a low level electric current was directly applied to cows, theoretically producing small internal electric fields, no ill effects were discerned.&quot; --wikipedia.org



Here are lots of other studies, with pretty much the same results;

http://www.uwex.edu/uwmril/stray_voltage/animal_response.htm

http://www.mrec.org/sv-info.html



Times change.

Change with them or hook up with the Amish. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue Sliwinski wrote that</p>
<p>&#8220;we don’t have 20-30 years or more to be sidelined by the folly of commercial wind power. Its massive machines and intrusive development won’t stabilize soaring energy costs or cool a warming planet.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, wind turbines will not solve this problem alone.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t blame the good deeds for not (yet) being able to outweigh the bad.</p>
<p>As regarding Debbie&#8217;s post about &#8220;doing homework&#8221; on stray voltage;</p>
<p>&#8220;Even when a low level electric current was directly applied to cows, theoretically producing small internal electric fields, no ill effects were discerned.&#8221; &#8211;wikipedia.org</p>
<p>Here are lots of other studies, with pretty much the same results;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uwex.edu/uwmril/stray_voltage/animal_response.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.uwex.edu/uwmril/stray_voltage/animal_response.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.mrec.org/sv-info.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mrec.org/sv-info.html</a></p>
<p>Times change.</p>
<p>Change with them or hook up with the Amish. <img src='http://c1cleantechnicacom.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Midwest</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-2132</link>
		<dc:creator>Midwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps Mr.Yancey could afford a pair of ear-plugs?



There are lots of noise in everyones every day-life and of course we all would like to get rid of it. I&#039;m sure that we will but not necessarily in our life time.



So many innocent lives have been taken in fossil fuel-related conflicts (Iran vs Iraq, Iraq vs Kuweit, Russia vs Georgia to name a few) and yet Mr.Yancey complains over a &quot;rhythmic whoosh, whoosh, whoosh&quot;?



Mr.Yancey should realize how fortunate he is. It is narrow-minded crybabies like him that give Americans a bad name. Wake up. Prove the world they&#039;re wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Mr.Yancey could afford a pair of ear-plugs?</p>
<p>There are lots of noise in everyones every day-life and of course we all would like to get rid of it. I&#8217;m sure that we will but not necessarily in our life time.</p>
<p>So many innocent lives have been taken in fossil fuel-related conflicts (Iran vs Iraq, Iraq vs Kuweit, Russia vs Georgia to name a few) and yet Mr.Yancey complains over a &#8220;rhythmic whoosh, whoosh, whoosh&#8221;?</p>
<p>Mr.Yancey should realize how fortunate he is. It is narrow-minded crybabies like him that give Americans a bad name. Wake up. Prove the world they&#8217;re wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Midwest</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-18930</link>
		<dc:creator>Midwest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-18930</guid>
		<description>Perhaps Mr.Yancey could afford a pair of ear-plugs?



There are lots of noise in everyones every day-life and of course we all would like to get rid of it. I&#039;m sure that we will but not necessarily in our life time.



So many innocent lives have been taken in fossil fuel-related conflicts (Iran vs Iraq, Iraq vs Kuweit, Russia vs Georgia to name a few) and yet Mr.Yancey complains over a &quot;rhythmic whoosh, whoosh, whoosh&quot;?



Mr.Yancey should realize how fortunate he is. It is narrow-minded crybabies like him that give Americans a bad name. Wake up. Prove the world they&#039;re wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Mr.Yancey could afford a pair of ear-plugs?</p>
<p>There are lots of noise in everyones every day-life and of course we all would like to get rid of it. I&#8217;m sure that we will but not necessarily in our life time.</p>
<p>So many innocent lives have been taken in fossil fuel-related conflicts (Iran vs Iraq, Iraq vs Kuweit, Russia vs Georgia to name a few) and yet Mr.Yancey complains over a &#8220;rhythmic whoosh, whoosh, whoosh&#8221;?</p>
<p>Mr.Yancey should realize how fortunate he is. It is narrow-minded crybabies like him that give Americans a bad name. Wake up. Prove the world they&#8217;re wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominick</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-2131</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;petty minded individuals with more interest in their own little lives&quot;



Wow. Just, wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;petty minded individuals with more interest in their own little lives&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow. Just, wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Dominick</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-18929</link>
		<dc:creator>Dominick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-18929</guid>
		<description>&quot;petty minded individuals with more interest in their own little lives&quot;



Wow. Just, wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;petty minded individuals with more interest in their own little lives&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow. Just, wow.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie/Upstate NY</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/18/the-imaginary-case-against-the-wind-turbine/#comment-2128</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie/Upstate NY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wind turbines are not graceful, majestic, inspiring.  While they may have a place where people/livestock/LIVELIHOODS are not impacted, it is most certainly not in populated areas.  I dare anyone who thinks they would be a great thing to live around to call a real estate agent and buy one of the many properties that are for sale in the areas where these INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS have been forced upon those whose neighbors see only dollar signs.  I am a farmer myself, and warn that one should not believe the happy little pics of cows grazing under turbines. Do your homework, and find out exactly what STRAY VOLTAGE does to livestock. Decreased milk production, health issues including mastitis and aborted calves just to mention a few things.  No one ever considers HOW the electricity must get from A to B, and the infrastructure needed to get these damn things to earn their keep is invasive to say the least.  Green energy, my a**.  Green as in MONEY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wind turbines are not graceful, majestic, inspiring.  While they may have a place where people/livestock/LIVELIHOODS are not impacted, it is most certainly not in populated areas.  I dare anyone who thinks they would be a great thing to live around to call a real estate agent and buy one of the many properties that are for sale in the areas where these INDUSTRIAL APPLICATIONS have been forced upon those whose neighbors see only dollar signs.  I am a farmer myself, and warn that one should not believe the happy little pics of cows grazing under turbines. Do your homework, and find out exactly what STRAY VOLTAGE does to livestock. Decreased milk production, health issues including mastitis and aborted calves just to mention a few things.  No one ever considers HOW the electricity must get from A to B, and the infrastructure needed to get these damn things to earn their keep is invasive to say the least.  Green energy, my a**.  Green as in MONEY.</p>
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