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		<title>By: R Livingston</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-52090</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R Livingston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Nov 2010 21:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Uncle B</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-1552</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uncle B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After the next crash, and as we pull away from the Great Hulking American Neanderthals &quot;American Dream&quot; lifestyle and adopt survivability, sustainability, and Earth Ark notions and super-insulations, passive solar heating, solar power, geo-thermal sciences, and a host of space age technologies to surviving on much less, even the seemingly small, at current consumption rates, power available from Wind Turbines will appear as plenty to the enlightened ones! Even computers are taking less and less power, cell phone are battery and solar repeater operated, lighting going LED, Street lamps obsoleting with electronic detection methods, microwave cooking in daily use by most, Electric bikes, and three wheelers charging when the getting is good, to soak up excesses, increase efficiencies, ballast a whimsical producer. The very fabric, the base notions of the current society will be re-worked, questioned, discarded, revamped by a wiser smaller brighter faster, more adaptable folk, the survivors as we watch the Great hulking American Neanderthals in death struggle to maintain an unsustainable status quo, and ending in extinction in a decade, this decade, much as unbelievable as was possible the demise of their favorite and unsustainable opponent the mighty U.S.S.R. and yet we hear their shrieks of agony echoing off the walls of Hell as the chasm closes over them, we stand at the cusp edge ourselves, and doubt our own fallibilities, and the Asian fact nudges us closer and closer to our fate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the next crash, and as we pull away from the Great Hulking American Neanderthals &#8220;American Dream&#8221; lifestyle and adopt survivability, sustainability, and Earth Ark notions and super-insulations, passive solar heating, solar power, geo-thermal sciences, and a host of space age technologies to surviving on much less, even the seemingly small, at current consumption rates, power available from Wind Turbines will appear as plenty to the enlightened ones! Even computers are taking less and less power, cell phone are battery and solar repeater operated, lighting going LED, Street lamps obsoleting with electronic detection methods, microwave cooking in daily use by most, Electric bikes, and three wheelers charging when the getting is good, to soak up excesses, increase efficiencies, ballast a whimsical producer. The very fabric, the base notions of the current society will be re-worked, questioned, discarded, revamped by a wiser smaller brighter faster, more adaptable folk, the survivors as we watch the Great hulking American Neanderthals in death struggle to maintain an unsustainable status quo, and ending in extinction in a decade, this decade, much as unbelievable as was possible the demise of their favorite and unsustainable opponent the mighty U.S.S.R. and yet we hear their shrieks of agony echoing off the walls of Hell as the chasm closes over them, we stand at the cusp edge ourselves, and doubt our own fallibilities, and the Asian fact nudges us closer and closer to our fate.</p>
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		<title>By: Uncle B</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-18676</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Uncle B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After the next crash, and as we pull away from the Great Hulking American Neanderthals &quot;American Dream&quot; lifestyle and adopt survivability, sustainability, and Earth Ark notions and super-insulations, passive solar heating, solar power, geo-thermal sciences, and a host of space age technologies to surviving on much less, even the seemingly small, at current consumption rates, power available from Wind Turbines will appear as plenty to the enlightened ones! Even computers are taking less and less power, cell phone are battery and solar repeater operated, lighting going LED, Street lamps obsoleting with electronic detection methods, microwave cooking in daily use by most, Electric bikes, and three wheelers charging when the getting is good, to soak up excesses, increase efficiencies, ballast a whimsical producer. The very fabric, the base notions of the current society will be re-worked, questioned, discarded, revamped by a wiser smaller brighter faster, more adaptable folk, the survivors as we watch the Great hulking American Neanderthals in death struggle to maintain an unsustainable status quo, and ending in extinction in a decade, this decade, much as unbelievable as was possible the demise of their favorite and unsustainable opponent the mighty U.S.S.R. and yet we hear their shrieks of agony echoing off the walls of Hell as the chasm closes over them, we stand at the cusp edge ourselves, and doubt our own fallibilities, and the Asian fact nudges us closer and closer to our fate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the next crash, and as we pull away from the Great Hulking American Neanderthals &#8220;American Dream&#8221; lifestyle and adopt survivability, sustainability, and Earth Ark notions and super-insulations, passive solar heating, solar power, geo-thermal sciences, and a host of space age technologies to surviving on much less, even the seemingly small, at current consumption rates, power available from Wind Turbines will appear as plenty to the enlightened ones! Even computers are taking less and less power, cell phone are battery and solar repeater operated, lighting going LED, Street lamps obsoleting with electronic detection methods, microwave cooking in daily use by most, Electric bikes, and three wheelers charging when the getting is good, to soak up excesses, increase efficiencies, ballast a whimsical producer. The very fabric, the base notions of the current society will be re-worked, questioned, discarded, revamped by a wiser smaller brighter faster, more adaptable folk, the survivors as we watch the Great hulking American Neanderthals in death struggle to maintain an unsustainable status quo, and ending in extinction in a decade, this decade, much as unbelievable as was possible the demise of their favorite and unsustainable opponent the mighty U.S.S.R. and yet we hear their shrieks of agony echoing off the walls of Hell as the chasm closes over them, we stand at the cusp edge ourselves, and doubt our own fallibilities, and the Asian fact nudges us closer and closer to our fate.</p>
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		<title>By: home made wind generators</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-1551</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[home made wind generators]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Smart article=D Will definitely visit soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smart article=D Will definitely visit soon.</p>
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		<title>By: home made wind generators</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-18675</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[home made wind generators]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Smart article=D Will definitely visit soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smart article=D Will definitely visit soon.</p>
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		<title>By: BOB</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-1550</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BOB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you are testing the wrong type of wind turbine. a sail either verticle or horizontal is the type needed for urban areas. they work at low wind speeds, and do not start to vibrate or get dangerous if the wind suddenly changes direction. change in wind direction has no effect on them, due to being more of sails mounted on a center post. there are some in use in Chicago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are testing the wrong type of wind turbine. a sail either verticle or horizontal is the type needed for urban areas. they work at low wind speeds, and do not start to vibrate or get dangerous if the wind suddenly changes direction. change in wind direction has no effect on them, due to being more of sails mounted on a center post. there are some in use in Chicago.</p>
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		<title>By: BOB</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-18674</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BOB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you are testing the wrong type of wind turbine. a sail either verticle or horizontal is the type needed for urban areas. they work at low wind speeds, and do not start to vibrate or get dangerous if the wind suddenly changes direction. change in wind direction has no effect on them, due to being more of sails mounted on a center post. there are some in use in Chicago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you are testing the wrong type of wind turbine. a sail either verticle or horizontal is the type needed for urban areas. they work at low wind speeds, and do not start to vibrate or get dangerous if the wind suddenly changes direction. change in wind direction has no effect on them, due to being more of sails mounted on a center post. there are some in use in Chicago.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Clymer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-1549</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Clymer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Check out Aerotecture International.  I believe they may have the engineering creativity that has been lacking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out Aerotecture International.  I believe they may have the engineering creativity that has been lacking.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Clymer</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-18673</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Clymer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Check out Aerotecture International.  I believe they may have the engineering creativity that has been lacking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out Aerotecture International.  I believe they may have the engineering creativity that has been lacking.</p>
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		<title>By: David Rubenstein, Ph.D.</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-1548</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Rubenstein, Ph.D.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is the cost to install a Rooftop Wind Turbine?  I live in Vista Redonda, a community of 60 homes outside of Santa Fe New Mexico.  Wind gusts of 30-40 mph are quite common here.



One of our community board members is studying alternative energy options.  Do you have any specific information about the difficult to install, maintain, etc.



Thanks for your great work!



David Rubenstein, Ph.D.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the cost to install a Rooftop Wind Turbine?  I live in Vista Redonda, a community of 60 homes outside of Santa Fe New Mexico.  Wind gusts of 30-40 mph are quite common here.</p>
<p>One of our community board members is studying alternative energy options.  Do you have any specific information about the difficult to install, maintain, etc.</p>
<p>Thanks for your great work!</p>
<p>David Rubenstein, Ph.D.</p>
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		<title>By: Nuclear Power - Conservative Forum</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-1547</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nuclear Power - Conservative Forum]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] turbines in urban areas, as they have been deemed by the Carbon trust to be net carbon emitters. New Study Says City-Based Rooftop Wind Power Doesn&#8217;t Pay Off : CleanTechnica   (I saw this article initially on the BBC, but haven&#039;t been able to find it on their website.)   [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] turbines in urban areas, as they have been deemed by the Carbon trust to be net carbon emitters. New Study Says City-Based Rooftop Wind Power Doesn&#8217;t Pay Off : CleanTechnica   (I saw this article initially on the BBC, but haven&#8217;t been able to find it on their website.)   [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: ielectalk</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-18672</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ielectalk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did anyone think of]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone think of</p>
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		<title>By: ielectalk</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-1546</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ielectalk]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did anyone think of]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone think of</p>
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		<title>By: The Strandbeests Cometh : CleanTechnica</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-1545</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Strandbeests Cometh : CleanTechnica]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 01:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Rooftop wind turbines don&#8217;t pay off [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Rooftop wind turbines don&#8217;t pay off [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-1544</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am so fed up with this carbon footprint crap!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so fed up with this carbon footprint crap!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-18671</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am so fed up with this carbon footprint crap!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so fed up with this carbon footprint crap!</p>
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		<title>By: pengo</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-1543</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pengo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s true. Wind turbines are most effective when they&#039;re really big, horizontal axis, and high above anything else, which means urban ones are far from ideal.



I&#039;m sure, however, that some well placed urban turbines will be net carbon savers. (yeah maybe I should read the report)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true. Wind turbines are most effective when they&#8217;re really big, horizontal axis, and high above anything else, which means urban ones are far from ideal.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure, however, that some well placed urban turbines will be net carbon savers. (yeah maybe I should read the report)</p>
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		<title>By: pengo</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-18670</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pengo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s true. Wind turbines are most effective when they&#039;re really big, horizontal axis, and high above anything else, which means urban ones are far from ideal.



I&#039;m sure, however, that some well placed urban turbines will be net carbon savers. (yeah maybe I should read the report)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true. Wind turbines are most effective when they&#8217;re really big, horizontal axis, and high above anything else, which means urban ones are far from ideal.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure, however, that some well placed urban turbines will be net carbon savers. (yeah maybe I should read the report)</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-1542</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, let me get this straight.  A windmill running for 200 years produces a net gain in carbon emissions?



I&#039;m curious how they calculated this net gain, since it seems logical to me that the longer the windmill is active, the more net energy it would produce.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, let me get this straight.  A windmill running for 200 years produces a net gain in carbon emissions?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious how they calculated this net gain, since it seems logical to me that the longer the windmill is active, the more net energy it would produce.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/08/07/new-study-says-rooftop-wind-power-doesnt-pay-off/#comment-18669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, let me get this straight.  A windmill running for 200 years produces a net gain in carbon emissions?



I&#039;m curious how they calculated this net gain, since it seems logical to me that the longer the windmill is active, the more net energy it would produce.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, let me get this straight.  A windmill running for 200 years produces a net gain in carbon emissions?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious how they calculated this net gain, since it seems logical to me that the longer the windmill is active, the more net energy it would produce.</p>
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