Comments on: World's Largest Wind Farm Planned In Oregon http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/ Clean Tech News & Views: Solar Energy News. Wind Energy News. EV News. & More. Fri, 25 May 2012 14:46:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Europe’s Largest Wind Farm Gets Approval in Sweden : CleanTechnica http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/#comment-2948 Europe’s Largest Wind Farm Gets Approval in Sweden : CleanTechnica Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:19:43 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=756#comment-2948 [...] of “world’s biggest wind farm” isn’t really the point. You can tap any number of projects with some sort of title. Projects of this scale are only getting built because developers have [...] [...] of “world’s biggest wind farm” isn’t really the point. You can tap any number of projects with some sort of title. Projects of this scale are only getting built because developers have [...]

]]> By: alank http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/#comment-2947 alank Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:27:51 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=756#comment-2947 Not to worry about over capacity. Since water use is drying up the lakes, many hydroelectric power stations will go offline. Wind blows 24 hrs a day, these turbines needs no storage, no pollution, and are magnificent to watch. Those against wind farms will always be around to offer scary stories and totally fabricated problems. I recall one argument that had birds falling out of the sky as they run into the blades. Unsubstantiated and certainly not based on facts. We need to guard against frivolous lawsuits and move quickly to stay ahead of the curve for clean sources of electricity. Not to worry about over capacity. Since water use is drying up the lakes, many hydroelectric power stations will go offline. Wind blows 24 hrs a day, these turbines needs no storage, no pollution, and are magnificent to watch.

Those against wind farms will always be around to offer scary stories and totally fabricated problems. I recall one argument that had birds falling out of the sky as they run into the blades. Unsubstantiated and certainly not based on facts.

We need to guard against frivolous lawsuits and move quickly to stay ahead of the curve for clean sources of electricity.

]]> By: alank http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/#comment-18490 alank Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:27:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=756#comment-18490 Not to worry about over capacity. Since water use is drying up the lakes, many hydroelectric power stations will go offline. Wind blows 24 hrs a day, these turbines needs no storage, no pollution, and are magnificent to watch. Those against wind farms will always be around to offer scary stories and totally fabricated problems. I recall one argument that had birds falling out of the sky as they run into the blades. Unsubstantiated and certainly not based on facts. We need to guard against frivolous lawsuits and move quickly to stay ahead of the curve for clean sources of electricity. Not to worry about over capacity. Since water use is drying up the lakes, many hydroelectric power stations will go offline. Wind blows 24 hrs a day, these turbines needs no storage, no pollution, and are magnificent to watch.

Those against wind farms will always be around to offer scary stories and totally fabricated problems. I recall one argument that had birds falling out of the sky as they run into the blades. Unsubstantiated and certainly not based on facts.

We need to guard against frivolous lawsuits and move quickly to stay ahead of the curve for clean sources of electricity.

]]> By: alank http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/#comment-18491 alank Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:27:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=756#comment-18491 Not to worry about over capacity. Since water use is drying up the lakes, many hydroelectric power stations will go offline. Wind blows 24 hrs a day, these turbines needs no storage, no pollution, and are magnificent to watch. Those against wind farms will always be around to offer scary stories and totally fabricated problems. I recall one argument that had birds falling out of the sky as they run into the blades. Unsubstantiated and certainly not based on facts. We need to guard against frivolous lawsuits and move quickly to stay ahead of the curve for clean sources of electricity. Not to worry about over capacity. Since water use is drying up the lakes, many hydroelectric power stations will go offline. Wind blows 24 hrs a day, these turbines needs no storage, no pollution, and are magnificent to watch.

Those against wind farms will always be around to offer scary stories and totally fabricated problems. I recall one argument that had birds falling out of the sky as they run into the blades. Unsubstantiated and certainly not based on facts.

We need to guard against frivolous lawsuits and move quickly to stay ahead of the curve for clean sources of electricity.

]]> By: dan shultz http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/#comment-2946 dan shultz Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:22:22 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=756#comment-2946 I love the whole Idea about being able to look out side of the box. There is at least one right way to solve every problem. lets find the answer. Dan Shultz I love the whole Idea about being able to look out side of the box. There is at least one right way to solve every problem. lets find the answer.

Dan Shultz

]]> By: dan shultz http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/#comment-2945 dan shultz Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:16:43 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=756#comment-2945 I would like to say that there is no reason that we cant farm solar energy in eastern oregon in between brotheres and burns a hundred miles north and a hundred miles south. That is a 3 hour drive of nearly flat desert that has nothing but sage and the invasive juniper tree. We would have a little snow fall during the winter but the last trip I made out there was in boardmen with is north and it was in february and it was over a 100 degrees all day every day. there is always sun beating down on the baren desert maybe even over 300 days a year. I have traveled the desert in the whole area and the great thing is there is a giant set of power lines that go from the columbia gorge and north, strait down to california. I could set up a government grant to lease a 10,000 acre property for the next 100 years and set up a system for the public to be able to invest in their future, by buying their own panels at a workable price. and as the system builds cash flow then we would buy more and more panels. There is no reason that we cant make our usage from solar to nearly 75%or more. If I built a solar farm in eastern oregon I could produce more than enough energy to power every home in the usa. I am not even talking about when all our cars will be electric. we will probably be fueling our autos in our garage with a charger system in the future. How much energy will we be using then? It can all come from natural energy. We should give up burning fuel. We should save it for all the plastic thing we will need for the next 1000 years. it takes millions of dollars in energy to grow our giant trees if we had to use all the electricity to grow them for 45 years, that energy is freeeeeeeeeee for trees. We can harvest energy so easy from many natural systems, Like falling water, and the never ending wind, and the waves, rivers flowing that could turn generators. I think that it is silly how there is always naysayers about the good solutions and no one cares to change the whole energy system. when the whole answer is found by looking up. Eventually all of our cars will be powered by either a battery charger that we change and swap out for a fresh charged one or we will have battery charge stations located like our current fuel stops. We always think stupid crap like "the wind turbines kill seagulls" that is f*#%ed! who gives a crap about the seagulls they will never die off. we are killing our entire ecosystem off by the BURNING of fuels. I worked in the biofuel industry and it is not the answer. I can not see any reason why we cant be harvesting the greatest energy source in the universe... The SUN!!!!!! it is selfish that we have not already taken the step to change our bad habbits. I drive a one ton crew cab duramax diesel chevy truck that I use for my business, and I spend thousands of dollars each quarter on just getting to the jobs!! it sucks. why cant we be solving this damn problem already!!!!!!!!!! Ok I know i am ranting. and I know that humans are animals of nessesity but come on its about past nessesary. If no one else starts farming the sun here in the great state of Oregon then I will! just look for it. We need to take it into our own hands and stop blogging about it and take care of our grandkids or we will just be stuck. Oregon has always been the experimental state. When there is a new idea, some crazy oregonian goes out in the desert and welds some shit up and solves big problems. It will happen. Dan Shultz 541 350 3996 oregondanman@gmail.com if you want in then get a hold of me! I would like to say that there is no reason that we cant farm solar energy in eastern oregon in between brotheres and burns a hundred miles north and a hundred miles south. That is a 3 hour drive of nearly flat desert that has nothing but sage and the invasive juniper tree. We would have a little snow fall during the winter but the last trip I made out there was in boardmen with is north and it was in february and it was over a 100 degrees all day every day. there is always sun beating down on the baren desert maybe even over 300 days a year. I have traveled the desert in the whole area and the great thing is there is a giant set of power lines that go from the columbia gorge and north, strait down to california. I could set up a government grant to lease a 10,000 acre property for the next 100 years and set up a system for the public to be able to invest in their future, by buying their own panels at a workable price. and as the system builds cash flow then we would buy more and more panels. There is no reason that we cant make our usage from solar to nearly 75%or more. If I built a solar farm in eastern oregon I could produce more than enough energy to power every home in the usa. I am not even talking about when all our cars will be electric. we will probably be fueling our autos in our garage with a charger system in the future. How much energy will we be using then? It can all come from natural energy. We should give up burning fuel. We should save it for all the plastic thing we will need for the next 1000 years. it takes millions of dollars in energy to grow our giant trees if we had to use all the electricity to grow them for 45 years, that energy is freeeeeeeeeee for trees. We can harvest energy so easy from many natural systems, Like falling water, and the never ending wind, and the waves, rivers flowing that could turn generators. I think that it is silly how there is always naysayers about the good solutions and no one cares to change the whole energy system. when the whole answer is found by looking up.

Eventually all of our cars will be powered by either a battery charger that we change and swap out for a fresh charged one or we will have battery charge stations located like our current fuel stops.

We always think stupid crap like “the wind turbines kill seagulls” that is f*#%ed! who gives a crap about the seagulls they will never die off. we are killing our entire ecosystem off by the BURNING of fuels. I worked in the biofuel industry and it is not the answer.

I can not see any reason why we cant be harvesting the greatest energy source in the universe… The SUN!!!!!!

it is selfish that we have not already taken the step to change our bad habbits. I drive a one ton crew cab duramax diesel chevy truck that I use for my business, and I spend thousands of dollars each quarter on just getting to the jobs!! it sucks. why cant we be solving this damn problem already!!!!!!!!!!

Ok I know i am ranting. and I know that humans are animals of nessesity but come on its about past nessesary. If no one else starts farming the sun here in the great state of Oregon then I will! just look for it. We need to take it into our own hands and stop blogging about it and take care of our grandkids or we will just be stuck.

Oregon has always been the experimental state. When there is a new idea, some crazy oregonian goes out in the desert and welds some shit up and solves big problems. It will happen.

Dan Shultz

541 350 3996

oregondanman@gmail.com

if you want in then get a hold of me!

]]> By: Oregon Launching First Solar Highway in the US : CleanTechnica http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/#comment-2944 Oregon Launching First Solar Highway in the US : CleanTechnica Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:38:58 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=756#comment-2944 [...] is once again taking the lead with renewable energy by installing the country’s first highway solar energy project. The [...] [...] is once again taking the lead with renewable energy by installing the country’s first highway solar energy project. The [...]

]]> By: brc http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/#comment-2943 brc Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:27:22 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=756#comment-2943 Wind is intermittent,John, so we will never be able to be 100% wind. And wind is NOT 100% "green". Everything comes with a price; bats and birds are at risk in our new wind economy, as are forests, which many power speculators have an eye to cut down on the windiest ridges. And all these wind farms in rural areas support sprawl to get workers near them, they encourage road building to remote locations, and they require massive amounts of production inputs. We are still trying to engineer our way out of the core problem: too many people using too many resources. Wind is intermittent,John, so we will never be able to be 100% wind.

And wind is NOT 100% “green”. Everything comes with a price; bats and birds are at risk in our new wind economy, as are forests, which many power speculators have an eye to cut down on the windiest ridges. And all these wind farms in rural areas support sprawl to get workers near them, they encourage road building to remote locations, and they require massive amounts of production inputs.

We are still trying to engineer our way out of the core problem: too many people using too many resources.

]]> By: brc http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/#comment-18488 brc Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:27:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=756#comment-18488 Wind is intermittent,John, so we will never be able to be 100% wind. And wind is NOT 100% "green". Everything comes with a price; bats and birds are at risk in our new wind economy, as are forests, which many power speculators have an eye to cut down on the windiest ridges. And all these wind farms in rural areas support sprawl to get workers near them, they encourage road building to remote locations, and they require massive amounts of production inputs. We are still trying to engineer our way out of the core problem: too many people using too many resources. Wind is intermittent,John, so we will never be able to be 100% wind.

And wind is NOT 100% “green”. Everything comes with a price; bats and birds are at risk in our new wind economy, as are forests, which many power speculators have an eye to cut down on the windiest ridges. And all these wind farms in rural areas support sprawl to get workers near them, they encourage road building to remote locations, and they require massive amounts of production inputs.

We are still trying to engineer our way out of the core problem: too many people using too many resources.

]]> By: brc http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/#comment-18489 brc Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:27:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=756#comment-18489 Wind is intermittent,John, so we will never be able to be 100% wind. And wind is NOT 100% "green". Everything comes with a price; bats and birds are at risk in our new wind economy, as are forests, which many power speculators have an eye to cut down on the windiest ridges. And all these wind farms in rural areas support sprawl to get workers near them, they encourage road building to remote locations, and they require massive amounts of production inputs. We are still trying to engineer our way out of the core problem: too many people using too many resources. Wind is intermittent,John, so we will never be able to be 100% wind.

And wind is NOT 100% “green”. Everything comes with a price; bats and birds are at risk in our new wind economy, as are forests, which many power speculators have an eye to cut down on the windiest ridges. And all these wind farms in rural areas support sprawl to get workers near them, they encourage road building to remote locations, and they require massive amounts of production inputs.

We are still trying to engineer our way out of the core problem: too many people using too many resources.

]]> By: Tyler http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/#comment-2942 Tyler Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:44:48 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=756#comment-2942 I hope more and more cities do this, 200,000 homes is such a significate number. Dugg. I hope more and more cities do this, 200,000 homes is such a significate number. Dugg.

]]> By: Tyler http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/#comment-18486 Tyler Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:44:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=756#comment-18486 I hope more and more cities do this, 200,000 homes is such a significate number. Dugg. I hope more and more cities do this, 200,000 homes is such a significate number. Dugg.

]]> By: Tyler http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/#comment-18487 Tyler Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:44:00 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=756#comment-18487 I hope more and more cities do this, 200,000 homes is such a significate number. Dugg. I hope more and more cities do this, 200,000 homes is such a significate number. Dugg.

]]> By: 2,000 MW Wind Farm Will Send Power from Wyoming to Southern California : CleanTechnica http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/#comment-2941 2,000 MW Wind Farm Will Send Power from Wyoming to Southern California : CleanTechnica Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:39:11 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=756#comment-2941 [...] World’s Largest Wind Farm Planned in Oregon [...] [...] World’s Largest Wind Farm Planned in Oregon [...]

]]> By: Jim http://cleantechnica.com/2008/07/29/worlds-largest-wind-farm-planned-in-oregon/#comment-2940 Jim Wed, 30 Jul 2008 23:11:35 +0000 http://cleantechnica.com/?p=756#comment-2940 Wind farms , Nuclear, Solar take too long to implement and require huge amounts of capital. For a 20 year lifecycle after all that investment. Ethanol can do all this now! In World War 2 when we were embargoed we changed over to ethanol in 6 mos. 500b spent on Iraq would have made made us energy independent. 5% of unusable farmland would do it Learn here http://peswiki.com/index.php/Review:Alcohol_can_be_a_Gas Wind farms , Nuclear, Solar take too long to implement and require huge amounts of capital. For a 20 year lifecycle after all that investment.

Ethanol can do all this now! In World War 2 when we were embargoed we changed over to ethanol in 6 mos.

500b spent on Iraq would have made made us energy independent.

5% of unusable farmland would do it

Learn here

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Review:Alcohol_can_be_a_Gas

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