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	<title>Comments on: Natural Gas Can Power Vehicles OR Electric Power Plants</title>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/27/natural-gas-can-power-vehicles-or-electric-power-plants/#comment-1361</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 07:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Natural Gas is the clean energy that will get us to the renewable energy sources such as wind, solar and thermal.  Its the Bridge we will have to use until those renewables are developed to take over some of the load. Two helpful energy sites:  www.eia.doe.gov  and  www.naturalgasforamerica.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natural Gas is the clean energy that will get us to the renewable energy sources such as wind, solar and thermal.  Its the Bridge we will have to use until those renewables are developed to take over some of the load. Two helpful energy sites:  <a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.doe.gov</a>  and  <a href="http://www.naturalgasforamerica.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.naturalgasforamerica.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/27/natural-gas-can-power-vehicles-or-electric-power-plants/#comment-18034</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 07:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Natural Gas is the clean energy that will get us to the renewable energy sources such as wind, solar and thermal.  Its the Bridge we will have to use until those renewables are developed to take over some of the load. Two helpful energy sites:  www.eia.doe.gov  and  www.naturalgasforamerica.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Natural Gas is the clean energy that will get us to the renewable energy sources such as wind, solar and thermal.  Its the Bridge we will have to use until those renewables are developed to take over some of the load. Two helpful energy sites:  <a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.eia.doe.gov</a>  and  <a href="http://www.naturalgasforamerica.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.naturalgasforamerica.com</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: AfterMarketCNG</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/27/natural-gas-can-power-vehicles-or-electric-power-plants/#comment-1360</link>
		<dc:creator>AfterMarketCNG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, I think one of the main benefits of natural gas is that it is an easy change to hydrogen technology when it is available.</description>
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		<title>By: AfterMarketCNG</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/27/natural-gas-can-power-vehicles-or-electric-power-plants/#comment-18033</link>
		<dc:creator>AfterMarketCNG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 23:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, I think one of the main benefits of natural gas is that it is an easy change to hydrogen technology when it is available.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, I think one of the main benefits of natural gas is that it is an easy change to hydrogen technology when it is available.</p>
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		<title>By: AfterMarketCNG</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/27/natural-gas-can-power-vehicles-or-electric-power-plants/#comment-1359</link>
		<dc:creator>AfterMarketCNG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with just about everything you said.  I think in the US the EPA is at the moment our biggest problem.  There is a bill proposed by Utah at the moment to help force the EPA to get certification approved faster.  At the moment the EPA is running certification as a business, and making some nice profits.  Why do you think US based automakers offer NGVs overseas but refuse to in the US?  They don&#039;t want to deal with the EPA&#039;s ridiculous &quot;standards&quot;.

http://www.aftermarketcng.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with just about everything you said.  I think in the US the EPA is at the moment our biggest problem.  There is a bill proposed by Utah at the moment to help force the EPA to get certification approved faster.  At the moment the EPA is running certification as a business, and making some nice profits.  Why do you think US based automakers offer NGVs overseas but refuse to in the US?  They don&#8217;t want to deal with the EPA&#8217;s ridiculous &#8220;standards&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aftermarketcng.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.aftermarketcng.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: AfterMarketCNG</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/27/natural-gas-can-power-vehicles-or-electric-power-plants/#comment-18032</link>
		<dc:creator>AfterMarketCNG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 01:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with just about everything you said.  I think in the US the EPA is at the moment our biggest problem.  There is a bill proposed by Utah at the moment to help force the EPA to get certification approved faster.  At the moment the EPA is running certification as a business, and making some nice profits.  Why do you think US based automakers offer NGVs overseas but refuse to in the US?  They don&#039;t want to deal with the EPA&#039;s ridiculous &quot;standards&quot;.

http://www.aftermarketcng.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with just about everything you said.  I think in the US the EPA is at the moment our biggest problem.  There is a bill proposed by Utah at the moment to help force the EPA to get certification approved faster.  At the moment the EPA is running certification as a business, and making some nice profits.  Why do you think US based automakers offer NGVs overseas but refuse to in the US?  They don&#8217;t want to deal with the EPA&#8217;s ridiculous &#8220;standards&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aftermarketcng.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.aftermarketcng.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/27/natural-gas-can-power-vehicles-or-electric-power-plants/#comment-1358</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the cng arguments that I have read, I have not seen the cost of compressing it to a practical storage pressure presented.  Additionally, having  driven a shop conversion (a pickup truck with a battery of six compressed gas cylinders in the front of the bed)a very pronounced reduction in performance was observed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the cng arguments that I have read, I have not seen the cost of compressing it to a practical storage pressure presented.  Additionally, having  driven a shop conversion (a pickup truck with a battery of six compressed gas cylinders in the front of the bed)a very pronounced reduction in performance was observed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/27/natural-gas-can-power-vehicles-or-electric-power-plants/#comment-18031</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the cng arguments that I have read, I have not seen the cost of compressing it to a practical storage pressure presented.  Additionally, having  driven a shop conversion (a pickup truck with a battery of six compressed gas cylinders in the front of the bed)a very pronounced reduction in performance was observed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the cng arguments that I have read, I have not seen the cost of compressing it to a practical storage pressure presented.  Additionally, having  driven a shop conversion (a pickup truck with a battery of six compressed gas cylinders in the front of the bed)a very pronounced reduction in performance was observed.</p>
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		<title>By: David Simmons</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/27/natural-gas-can-power-vehicles-or-electric-power-plants/#comment-1357</link>
		<dc:creator>David Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rod,



I have always favored nuclear power but with a caveat.  I worked in the industry in the early sixties, but left the field because of a dangerous complacency demonstrated by my coworkers.  It seems to set in as folks become comfortable (way too comfortable) with what they&#039;re doing.  I&#039;ve been out of the nuclear power loop for more than forty years, so maybe it&#039;s harder to screw things up now than it was then.  Other than that - nuclear power?  Bring it on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod,</p>
<p>I have always favored nuclear power but with a caveat.  I worked in the industry in the early sixties, but left the field because of a dangerous complacency demonstrated by my coworkers.  It seems to set in as folks become comfortable (way too comfortable) with what they&#8217;re doing.  I&#8217;ve been out of the nuclear power loop for more than forty years, so maybe it&#8217;s harder to screw things up now than it was then.  Other than that &#8211; nuclear power?  Bring it on!</p>
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		<title>By: David Simmons</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/27/natural-gas-can-power-vehicles-or-electric-power-plants/#comment-18030</link>
		<dc:creator>David Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 01:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rod,



I have always favored nuclear power but with a caveat.  I worked in the industry in the early sixties, but left the field because of a dangerous complacency demonstrated by my coworkers.  It seems to set in as folks become comfortable (way too comfortable) with what they&#039;re doing.  I&#039;ve been out of the nuclear power loop for more than forty years, so maybe it&#039;s harder to screw things up now than it was then.  Other than that - nuclear power?  Bring it on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod,</p>
<p>I have always favored nuclear power but with a caveat.  I worked in the industry in the early sixties, but left the field because of a dangerous complacency demonstrated by my coworkers.  It seems to set in as folks become comfortable (way too comfortable) with what they&#8217;re doing.  I&#8217;ve been out of the nuclear power loop for more than forty years, so maybe it&#8217;s harder to screw things up now than it was then.  Other than that &#8211; nuclear power?  Bring it on!</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/27/natural-gas-can-power-vehicles-or-electric-power-plants/#comment-1356</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael McManus wrote:

&quot;Where can I buy CNG converson kits for cars and trucksA list of dealers or can I become a dealer and installer? thanks&quot;



Michael, I share your enthusiasm for the concept. It is logical that our society adopts a cleaner-burning, renewable fuel. But... try to act on this knowledge, and our beaurocrats will eat your life savings for lunch! The simplest dual fuel kits I mentioned above are seriously illegal to use! The fine is $5000 if you are caught with one!



Obviously, our laws need to change! If I, as a hobbyist, can reduce the pollution my diesel truck makes, while also reducing the amount of money sent to the middle east, our society benefits greatly! The kits I wrote of could be mounted by any moderately-skilled handyman. Imagine the impact for our country and planet if every diesel delivery truck, locomotive, big rig and barge was modified this way!



But- again- it is VERY ILLEGAL to do this! Without EPA and CARB certification, you run the risk of a $5ooo fine for &quot;tampering&quot; with a vehicle you own and paid for!



It is SO ironic- and indeed hypocritical- that NGV&#039;s are subsidized, as are the home fueling kits- by the same govenment that wants to fine us so seriously for trying to apply the CNG advantages to hardware we already own! IMHO, it is a great example of socializing the costs while privatizing the benefits! It will cost you a vast sum of money to get ANY kit through the EPA- and said kit must also be vehicle-specific! You would be forced to charge $8,000+ PER VEHICLE to make it NG-ready and approved!



Meanwhile, I am certain that I could adapt my existing truck for under $2000 with equipment that already exists, in my own garage. But it is illegal to do so!



Everybody note: It is an election year. The people trying to win your approval would have the power to change the situation for the better. Anybody for lobbying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael McManus wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Where can I buy CNG converson kits for cars and trucksA list of dealers or can I become a dealer and installer? thanks&#8221;</p>
<p>Michael, I share your enthusiasm for the concept. It is logical that our society adopts a cleaner-burning, renewable fuel. But&#8230; try to act on this knowledge, and our beaurocrats will eat your life savings for lunch! The simplest dual fuel kits I mentioned above are seriously illegal to use! The fine is $5000 if you are caught with one!</p>
<p>Obviously, our laws need to change! If I, as a hobbyist, can reduce the pollution my diesel truck makes, while also reducing the amount of money sent to the middle east, our society benefits greatly! The kits I wrote of could be mounted by any moderately-skilled handyman. Imagine the impact for our country and planet if every diesel delivery truck, locomotive, big rig and barge was modified this way!</p>
<p>But- again- it is VERY ILLEGAL to do this! Without EPA and CARB certification, you run the risk of a $5ooo fine for &#8220;tampering&#8221; with a vehicle you own and paid for!</p>
<p>It is SO ironic- and indeed hypocritical- that NGV&#8217;s are subsidized, as are the home fueling kits- by the same govenment that wants to fine us so seriously for trying to apply the CNG advantages to hardware we already own! IMHO, it is a great example of socializing the costs while privatizing the benefits! It will cost you a vast sum of money to get ANY kit through the EPA- and said kit must also be vehicle-specific! You would be forced to charge $8,000+ PER VEHICLE to make it NG-ready and approved!</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I am certain that I could adapt my existing truck for under $2000 with equipment that already exists, in my own garage. But it is illegal to do so!</p>
<p>Everybody note: It is an election year. The people trying to win your approval would have the power to change the situation for the better. Anybody for lobbying?</p>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/27/natural-gas-can-power-vehicles-or-electric-power-plants/#comment-18029</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 23:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael McManus wrote:

&quot;Where can I buy CNG converson kits for cars and trucksA list of dealers or can I become a dealer and installer? thanks&quot;



Michael, I share your enthusiasm for the concept. It is logical that our society adopts a cleaner-burning, renewable fuel. But... try to act on this knowledge, and our beaurocrats will eat your life savings for lunch! The simplest dual fuel kits I mentioned above are seriously illegal to use! The fine is $5000 if you are caught with one!



Obviously, our laws need to change! If I, as a hobbyist, can reduce the pollution my diesel truck makes, while also reducing the amount of money sent to the middle east, our society benefits greatly! The kits I wrote of could be mounted by any moderately-skilled handyman. Imagine the impact for our country and planet if every diesel delivery truck, locomotive, big rig and barge was modified this way!



But- again- it is VERY ILLEGAL to do this! Without EPA and CARB certification, you run the risk of a $5ooo fine for &quot;tampering&quot; with a vehicle you own and paid for!



It is SO ironic- and indeed hypocritical- that NGV&#039;s are subsidized, as are the home fueling kits- by the same govenment that wants to fine us so seriously for trying to apply the CNG advantages to hardware we already own! IMHO, it is a great example of socializing the costs while privatizing the benefits! It will cost you a vast sum of money to get ANY kit through the EPA- and said kit must also be vehicle-specific! You would be forced to charge $8,000+ PER VEHICLE to make it NG-ready and approved!



Meanwhile, I am certain that I could adapt my existing truck for under $2000 with equipment that already exists, in my own garage. But it is illegal to do so!



Everybody note: It is an election year. The people trying to win your approval would have the power to change the situation for the better. Anybody for lobbying?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael McManus wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Where can I buy CNG converson kits for cars and trucksA list of dealers or can I become a dealer and installer? thanks&#8221;</p>
<p>Michael, I share your enthusiasm for the concept. It is logical that our society adopts a cleaner-burning, renewable fuel. But&#8230; try to act on this knowledge, and our beaurocrats will eat your life savings for lunch! The simplest dual fuel kits I mentioned above are seriously illegal to use! The fine is $5000 if you are caught with one!</p>
<p>Obviously, our laws need to change! If I, as a hobbyist, can reduce the pollution my diesel truck makes, while also reducing the amount of money sent to the middle east, our society benefits greatly! The kits I wrote of could be mounted by any moderately-skilled handyman. Imagine the impact for our country and planet if every diesel delivery truck, locomotive, big rig and barge was modified this way!</p>
<p>But- again- it is VERY ILLEGAL to do this! Without EPA and CARB certification, you run the risk of a $5ooo fine for &#8220;tampering&#8221; with a vehicle you own and paid for!</p>
<p>It is SO ironic- and indeed hypocritical- that NGV&#8217;s are subsidized, as are the home fueling kits- by the same govenment that wants to fine us so seriously for trying to apply the CNG advantages to hardware we already own! IMHO, it is a great example of socializing the costs while privatizing the benefits! It will cost you a vast sum of money to get ANY kit through the EPA- and said kit must also be vehicle-specific! You would be forced to charge $8,000+ PER VEHICLE to make it NG-ready and approved!</p>
<p>Meanwhile, I am certain that I could adapt my existing truck for under $2000 with equipment that already exists, in my own garage. But it is illegal to do so!</p>
<p>Everybody note: It is an election year. The people trying to win your approval would have the power to change the situation for the better. Anybody for lobbying?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael McManus</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/27/natural-gas-can-power-vehicles-or-electric-power-plants/#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael McManus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where can I buy CNG converson kits for cars and trucksA list of dealers or can I become a dealer and installer? thanks</description>
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		<title>By: Michael McManus</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/27/natural-gas-can-power-vehicles-or-electric-power-plants/#comment-18028</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael McManus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where can I buy CNG converson kits for cars and trucksA list of dealers or can I become a dealer and installer? thanks</description>
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		<title>By: Edward</title>
		<link>http://cleantechnica.com/2008/06/27/natural-gas-can-power-vehicles-or-electric-power-plants/#comment-1354</link>
		<dc:creator>Edward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks: It is technically fairly easy to convert an existing diesel to dual fuel, using up to 70% natural gas and displacing significant amounts of diesel fuel. The problem for an individual is that it is currently wildly illegal to do so! All that is needed would be a suitable tank and a fumigation kit, which allows a metered spray of NG into your diesel&#039;s intake stream. The NG ignites when diesel fuel is injected; NG cannot power a standard diesel in a stand-alone system without other modifications (spark plugs instead of glow plugs.) The fumigation kits already exist in the forms of propane injection and nitrous oxide.



Here is where I do not understand our regulators: Every site I have seen states that a dual-fuel diesel operates more cleanly than a stand-alone diesel, yet consumes far less non-renewable petroleum. (Methane can be produced in many ways, including biologically.) With these benefits, I fail to understand why addition of such a system is considered &quot;tampering&quot;, and subjects the user to a fine of $5000/day! How can a diesel owner &quot;clean up his act&quot; with such regulations?? How can we convert our existing hardware if we are threatened with large fines for doing so?? I want to avoid importing oil for my personal needs, and wish to make a contribution to clean air at the same time... but it seems impossible to take advantage of a duel-fueled diesel!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks: It is technically fairly easy to convert an existing diesel to dual fuel, using up to 70% natural gas and displacing significant amounts of diesel fuel. The problem for an individual is that it is currently wildly illegal to do so! All that is needed would be a suitable tank and a fumigation kit, which allows a metered spray of NG into your diesel&#8217;s intake stream. The NG ignites when diesel fuel is injected; NG cannot power a standard diesel in a stand-alone system without other modifications (spark plugs instead of glow plugs.) The fumigation kits already exist in the forms of propane injection and nitrous oxide.</p>
<p>Here is where I do not understand our regulators: Every site I have seen states that a dual-fuel diesel operates more cleanly than a stand-alone diesel, yet consumes far less non-renewable petroleum. (Methane can be produced in many ways, including biologically.) With these benefits, I fail to understand why addition of such a system is considered &#8220;tampering&#8221;, and subjects the user to a fine of $5000/day! How can a diesel owner &#8220;clean up his act&#8221; with such regulations?? How can we convert our existing hardware if we are threatened with large fines for doing so?? I want to avoid importing oil for my personal needs, and wish to make a contribution to clean air at the same time&#8230; but it seems impossible to take advantage of a duel-fueled diesel!</p>
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